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August 31

  • The death toll from Hurricane Katrina has exceeded 100 in Biloxi, Mississippi, and is expected to rise further. Deaths are expected to number in the several hundreds in New Orleans as that city is completely evacuated. --Kitch 11:29, 31 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Several hundred people have died after a stampede on a bridge in Baghdad. The railings of a bridge over the River Tigris gave way, and many people fell into the waters below. The cause is not known. (Wikinews)

August 30

Police line in front of breached section of barricade

August 29

  • This seems like local news to me, but what the heck ... This long blurb should be shortened. Details go to the article, not the Front Page. How about:
Unacceptable remarks force John Brogden, New South Wales Opposition Leader for the Liberal Party of Australia, to resign.
-- 199.71.174.100 04:08, 30 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • How about "Unacceptable behaviour" ? Please just shorten this item. The Front Page is very imbalanced because of this.-- 199.71.174.100 04:26, 30 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • I think the word flood should be somewhere in the blurb about Hurricane Katrina. This is all I see on TV. Don't quite know how to best fit this in, though. -- 199.71.174.100 04:22, 30 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

August 28

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Flag of Iraq

Re: England v Australia 25-29 August 2005 Have it say this:

jguk 18:59, 28 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This is now the most significant series of cricket since 1981 and is being watched enthusiastically not only in the UK and Australia but throughout the cricketing world.

  • Much as I am delighted at England's victory, I don't think this is front-page news. The end of the series would be, per precedent of the UEFA Cup and Champions League etc (this is probably equal in relevance in real terms), but this just doesn't quite nudge it to front-page status to me. [[smoddy]] 19:12, 28 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    • I can't see why it shouldn't push an American politician making an apology four days ago off the page, jguk 19:24, 28 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
      • I don't think that should have gone on there either. But this is of marginal interest outside the UK and Australia, especially as it is to be repeated in just a couple of weeks' time. I hate to say it as well, but that article reads as a news report, not the kind of article we want to feature on the front page. You will excuse my brutality, but I just do not think this is a suitable main page feature. [[smoddy]] 19:33, 28 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
        • Traitor! jguk 23:48, 28 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
          • There is a serious point beneath this - four day old news items should be removed and replaced with whatever the best alternative is. In this case, it does appear to be a slow news week - so why shouldn't potentially less notable stories get reported? Either the edit will be accepted or others will come in with new stories and articles to replace it. Finally, no doubt this particular article will change over time and join a welcome group of articles on various cricket seasons. I'm working on the 1971/2 South African cricket season myself at the moment, jguk 23:48, 28 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Hurricane Katrina Have it say this:

  • Hurricane Katrina continues to strengthen reaching Category five status with winds of at least 160 mph. It has the second lowest pressure for a named American hurricane since 1851, with only Hurricane Camille having a lower measurement. Millions of people living in and around the below sea-level Louisiana city of New Orleans are leaving as the eye is expected to collide with the region within 24 hours.
  • It is the second most intense named American hurricane since 1851. Hellohowareyou 11:40, 28 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

August 26

The death toll from Hurricane Katrina needs to be updated to five, and note that five people are missing. --Kitch 18:53, 26 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

August 25

The German Constitutional Court rules that early elections on September 18 may go ahead. Dr Gangrene 10:32, 25 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

August 24

August 23

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Flag of Peru
The August 23 TANS Peru Flight 204 crash in Peru should be added to the news section. --ThomasK 07:48, August 24, 2005 (UTC)
  • Would somebody please remove the Lance Armstrong blurb? It's just the same old accusations rehashed. Until it is given further merit (such as a deeper investigation by RACE OFFICIALS), it should not be given any more credibility than it's lost over the last seven years. --Kitch 11:04, 23 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I'm guessing you haven't read any of the coverage. It's not an accusation, he has actually tested positive. Dan100 (Talk) 16:02, August 24, 2005 (UTC)

August 22

August 21

  • Thomas Herrion, an American football player for the 49ers, dies a few hours after collapsing in the locker room after Saturday's game against the Denver Broncos. Acetic Acid 22:29, August 21, 2005 (UTC)
    • I'll have to pass on this for the time being. This is a mysterious death of an otherwise non-notable person. And, the wikipage on Herrion has too little material. May reconsider if the news story gets interesting. -- PFHLai 04:36, 2005 August 22 (UTC)
Logo of World Youth Day 2005
Logo of World Youth Day 2005

August 19

Flag of Burundi

Cologne, Germany welcomes Pope Benedict XVI. (Image could use some cropping...)
Cologne, Germany welcomes Pope Benedict XVI. (Image could use some cropping...)

I propose to revise this item currently on ITN:

to

WYD2005 is now halfway through the programme. Words like 'opens', 'are expected to attend' no longer apply. -- 199.71.174.100 08:19, 19 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  • Then removed with the Edit Summary: trim bottom to balance main page [1]. sigh .... Maybe the item about the space record should be dumped instead ? World Youth Day is still ongoing. -- 199.71.174.100 22:33, 20 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thanks, Admin: Violetriga, for switching the blurb on WYD2005 back onto ITN. I was just being whiney.... didn't really expect to see this. Thank you. -- 199.71.174.100 23:23, 20 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]


Mo Mowlam
Mo Mowlam
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Flag of Western Sahara

August 18

  • The BTK Killer was just sentenced to 10 consecutive life terms. Ahseaton 20:41, 18 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    • How about this in present tense: The BTK killer receives 10 consecutive life sentences for murders committed between 1974 and 1991. -- 199.71.174.100 05:56, 19 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
      • The arrest of the BTK killer was very newsworthy. His sentencing was not particularly newsworthy, as it was inevitable that he would get the maximum possible sentence. There was drama as family members read victim impact statements in court, but that's not really hard news. -- Curps 06:32, 19 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

August 17

(Note: I know this really happened on August 16, but news of his death didn't spread until today.) Acetic Acid 01:46, August 18, 2005 (UTC)
Flag of the President of Singapore
Flag of the President of Singapore
  • Incumbent President S.R. Nathan of Singapore returns for a second term as all other candidates in the 2005 presidential election are deemed ineligible by the Presidential Elections Committee. -- 199.71.174.100 23:46, 17 August 2005 (UTC) -- rewritten by 199.71.174.100 04:13, 18 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    • Thanks for posting, Admin:Pharos. I decided to rewrite the blurb, 'coz SR Nathan didn't really "win" the election that never took place. -- 199.71.174.100 04:17, 18 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
      • This item was removed from ITN by Curps with the edit summary: rm President of Singapore; this is a largely ceremonial post and a non-contested election, below threshold for main page. Just wanna point out that the news was not really the election, but that the election was non-contested again. And, "ceremonial" ? The appointment of a new Governor General in Canada (#August 4) made it to ITN, why not the President of Singapore ? Anyway, I like the photo of the Russian cosmonaut on ITN better, but this item on Singapore presidential election, 2005, IMO, is ITN-worthy and hardly "below threshold for main page". -- 199.71.174.100 07:49, 18 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
        • Well there are two possibly notable things about the new Governor General of Canada: she's the first black Governor General in Canadian history, and there's a bit of a brouhaha over whether she once was (or still is) a supporter of Quebec sovereignty during the 1995 Quebec referendum. A routine appointment of a new Governor General of Canada probably would not be newsworthy, and on a worldwide basis perhaps even this appointment was not so newsworthy. -- Curps 09:03, 18 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
          • Hmmm... Getting a new head of state in a prominent English-speaking nation like Canada and Singapore is not noteworthy enough to be mentioned In The News in English Wikipedia ? This just sounds odd. ..... BTW, the brouhaha about Jean, as I recall, came out after her blurb got posted on ITN. -- 199.71.174.100 05:52, 19 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
            • Actually, I personally wouldn't have included the Governor-General appointment, it was of interest only to Canadians. Maybe it was a slow news day at the time. This time around we had a plane crash and the Israeli Gaza pullout happening and the pope's first foreign visit, and I think conserving space on the main page was sufficient reason to pull the Singapore president story. And at least the Canadian Governor-General was newly appointed to the office... the Singapore president was just the same guy remaining in office as before. Nothing new to take note of there. -- Curps 06:32, 19 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

August 16

Sergei Krikalev, a photo from the Wikimedia Commons
Sergei Krikalev, a photo from the Wikimedia Commons
  • A magnitude 7.2 earthquake strikes off the coast of Miyagi, Japan and is felt more than 200 miles away. Over 60 people have been reported injured.
    • I'm not sure about what images there could be for this (as none have been uploaded and I don't know what ones out there might fall under the GFDL). A flag might work, since I know how bad maps are when it comes to the front page. But just in case, I have the map I used for the 2005 Miyagi earthquake article.
    • Alternatively, for the last sentence, you could use, "No deaths have been reported." or simply leave it out.

-Nameneko 22:33, 17 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  • A West Caribbean Airways aeroplane, carrying 152 passengers on board, crashed in a mountainous region in Venezuela between the hours of 3am and 3.45am on the morning of Tuesday the 16th of August, 2005. Article link: West Caribbean Airways plane crash --treff89 23:47, 16 August 2005 (AEDST)

August 15

Flag of the Aceh Sumatra National Liberation Front
Flag of the Aceh Sumatra National Liberation Front

August 14

  • Should it be mentioned that evidence suggests massive decompression incapacitating the pilot and captain of Helios Airways Flight 522, believed to be the cause of the crash? --Kitch 03:09, 15 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

August 13

David Lange wasn't just a New Zealand Prime Minister. He presided over the most intensive liberal reforms in modern New Zealand history: floating the exchange rate, large-scale state asset sales, trade liberalisation, homosexual law reform, constitution act, bill of rights act. The nuclear-free legislation led to the break-down of the ANZUS treaty and strained relations with the US, as well as forging a new New Zealand identity as a pacifist nation. His politics, wit and charm caused him to be recognised as a world statesman, not just a New Zealand politician. It is, I think, universally recognised that no subsequent Prime Minister has matched him in popularity and presence. If ever the death of New Zealand politician was worth mentioning on the front page of Wikipedia, it's now. Ben Arnold 02:13, 14 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
News articles: [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] and many others

August 12

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Flag of Sri Lanka

August 11

Northern Giant Mouse Lemur
Northern Giant Mouse Lemur
  • Northern Giant Mouse Lemur, a new species of lemur, is discovered in Madagascar. -- 199.71.174.100 03:55, 12 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Can someone confirm why that photo is PD? The info on the image page is in German and I'm having trouble understanding it.--Pharos 04:05, 12 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    • OK, from what I can make out, the photo came with the press release and is to be used only in connection with the material of the press release (meaning a report of the discovery presumably). So the photo is not PD, and shouldn't even be on Commons. We could upload it here as fair use, but fair use images don't really go on the Main Page. Again, if I'm misunderstanding the info, someone with actual knowledge of German please correct me.--Pharos 04:16, 12 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    • Oh, sorry, I assumed all pictures from Wikimedia Commons are good enough. Please don't use it, then. Thanks for your attention. -- 199.71.174.100 04:17, 12 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    • Actually it seems two new species were discovered- the other was Goodman's Mouse Lemur, which I've just written a tiny stub on. But this was announced a couple of days ago already- it might be a bit late to put it at the top of the news.--Pharos 05:28, 12 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Jennifer Hyatte
Jennifer Hyatte
George Hyatte
George Hyatte


100px|right|Al-Qaeda places a Bounty on Kofi Annan's head

August 8


  • Over the weekend, a gang of thieves stole 150 million reals ($67.3m) in the Banco Central Fortaleza robbery; Brazil's largest bank robbery and one of the largest known bank robberies.
    • Ya know, I think I'll just post that. I love the shuttle pic, tho, so that will stay for now. --Golbez 19:37, August 9, 2005 (UTC)
  • Japanese Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi announced that he would dissolve the Japanese House of Representatives and call a snap election for September 11 after rebel lawmakers from his own Liberal Democratic Party voted down postal reform legislation on which he had staked the party's mandate. It is tthought that the move will plunge normally staid Japanese politics into great uncertainty.
    • Removed the Koizumi image, assuming that Jenning's likeness should take that spot. Aconnelly 06:23, 8 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
      • Please update an article about this event. I'm not sure what the 'main article' should be, but if the LDP is really likely to split in two, that might be it.--Pharos 06:27, 8 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
        • I created the election article (linked to through the snap election internal link). I think that's preferable, because there is still a lot of uncertainty as to what will happen to the LDP rebels.
          • OK, thanks for that quick article on the new election. I added the item but had to shorten it a bit.--Pharos 08:05, 8 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

August 7

  • Peter Jennings, long-time anchor of ABC World News Tonight, dies of lung cancer in his New York City home at the age of 67. --Kitch 03:50, 8 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    • I was trying to update the page at the same time as Kitch, but the post there now is superior to mine. I agree that this death is worthy of a front news spot. T-mccool 03:55, August 8, 2005 (UTC)
    • I just added it, but I would prefer a better image. The image on the template is limited to 100px so the main page looks ok on 800x600 monitors. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 04:07, 8 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Ehud Olmert in W.Commons
Ehud Olmert in W.Commons
Benjamin Netanyahu in a {fairuse} (?) photo.
Benjamin Netanyahu in a {fairuse} (?) photo.
  • Done, though I avoided the fair use pic in favor a flag as they seem to have become more controversial on the front page. - BanyanTree 20:16, 7 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I've found and put up a PD photo of Netanyahu.--Pharos 03:56, 8 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

August 5

  • The submarine is at the surface now and the crew is safe, so please update. Ornil 03:47, 7 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    • Done. (Not entirely by me.) -- PFHLai 08:55, 2005 August 7 (UTC)
  • Jewish Israeli terrorist kills 4 Arab-Israeli citizens, which include two muslim girls and two Christian Arabs men. here is one of numerous links in the news.
  • There needs to be a Wikipedia article with the updated information for it to go on ITN. See the guidelines linked above. - BanyanTree 01:25, 6 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

August 4

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August 1

  • Currently on the MainPage: The death in a helicopter crash of Sudanese Vice-President John Garang, a central figure in the recent peace deal ending the Second Sudanese Civil War, sparks deadly rioting in Khartoum.
Do we know if it's really a helicopter ? The John Garang article says "The statements by Uganda that Garang was traveling in a helicopter and by Sudan that he was in a plane could not be immediately reconciled." Perhaps we should only post "The death of Sudanese Vice-President John Garang ...", removing the words "in a helicopter crash". -- 199.71.174.100 21:57, 1 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Removed as suggested. Thanks. -- PFHLai 07:53, 2005 August 2 (UTC)
  • George Bush forces through the appointment of John Bolton as US ambassador to the United Nations. Bolton was put up for nomination five months ago, but argument and debate prevented Bolton from winning the job. Critics say Bolton verbally abused employees, and modified intelligence to fit his conservative agenda. Bolton also came under fire for comments he made about the UN, saying that US national interest is the only interest that matters in the world, and that the UN works only when the US wants it to. BBC News T-mccool
    • If we put this up, I think something like: "U.S. President George W. Bush uses a recess appointment to install John Bolton as Ambassador to the UN until January 2007." would be more appropriate. The details, of course, go in the article.--Pharos 19:43, 1 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
      • I'm not yet an expert at submitting news stories, obviously your judgement would be better. I wanted to submit this article, however, because it seemed like a significant development to a somewhat long-term argument that may have wide-reaching consequences. T-mccool
        • Maybe the Bolton story should replace the trans-Neptunian object story? That's getting to be a little bit old right now, and besides, the Bolton appointment is going to spark quite a controversy on this side of the pond. --Titoxd 23:08, 1 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
          • On this side of the pond ? Hmmm... how did the Bolton appointment affect Greenland, Iceland, Canada, Mexico, Cuba, Jamaica ..... ? Would the UN ambassadors from other countries care ? IMO, this appointment seems a little too much of a local/domestic news item to me. If something shocking develops, such as Congress "retaliates" with some unprecedented moves, this may be ITN-worthy. Nothing like that yet. I'd wait. -- PFHLai 07:53, 2005 August 2 (UTC)
  • Rafael Palmeiro, who had categorically denied ever having used steroids at a U.S. House hearing in March 2005, receives a 10-day suspension for violating Major League Baseball's steroids policy. (Source: AP/Yahoo!)–Dale Arnett 18:46, 1 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    • An American baseball player gets a ten day vacation with pay. This is not news. --Golbez 18:50, August 1, 2005 (UTC)
      • Actually, Golbez, it's not a vacation with pay. Palmeiro stands to lose $163,934.42 of salary during the 10-day suspension. This is news indeed, as he was one of the high profile baseball players who went to the US Congress to discuss the steroid issue a few months ago. His anti-steroid stance is well known. However, I'd only suggest this for ITN on a slow news day. Ditto for the Bolton story. -- 199.71.174.100 20:07, 1 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
        • Bolton is actual news (though perhaps not actual enough to bump any of the stories currently there). Palmeiro is not. OK, so someone gets an unpaid 10 day vacation for taking steroids. What a tremendous punishment. This is not important news, even if it does contradict congressional testimony. If he were indicted for lying to Congress, maybe, and even then. --Golbez 20:22, August 1, 2005 (UTC)
          • I agree. 10 days is hardly much of a punishment. Maybe it's good for Palmeiro to take the time off. His Baltimore Orioles are playing poorly these days, dragging down his stats .... It's only a news item because he is a high profile player. (See Template talk:In the news#Rafael Palmeiro.) Otherwise, he's just another liar. The current top news according to AP Sports has to stay off ITN today. -- 199.71.174.100 21:02, 1 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia (2002 photo)
  • King Fahd of Saudi Arabia has died in hospital at the age of 83. His successor, Abdullah bin Abdul Aziz, has been officially sworn in as the new king. (Source: BBC) Enlightener 07:38, 1 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    • Posted before me. --Golbez 18:50, August 1, 2005 (UTC)
  • A frozen lake has been photographed in a crater on the surface of Mars by the ESA probe Mars Express. (Source: [[7]) Grutness...wha? 03:22, 1 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    • It's a beautiful photo, but as far as I can tell this isn't really groundbreaking scientific news. Astronomers have long known about water ice on the Martian surface; there's even a water icecap at the Martian north pole.--Pharos 03:24, 1 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I'm also unsure about what is new about this as ice is well documented on Mars. Given that there is already an extraplanetary item on ITN, the newsworthiness of a second should be obvious. - BanyanTree 04:45, 1 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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