Talk:Tetris (NES video game)

Regarding the article name change from Tetris (NES video game) to Classic Tetris

Pardon me for inquiring about this name change but were there any discussions regarding this prior? I personally do not think that this name change was warranted and if anything the "Classic Tetris" name is more confusing than "Tetris (NES video game)". The term Classic Tetris comes from the Classic Tetris World Championship and prior to which the game was either called "NES Tetris", "Nintendo Tetris", or "Tetris for NES" to name a few in order to distinct it from the many other Tetris games. While Classic Tetris has started to become a term to describe this particular version of the game, many still refer to this version as just NES Tetris. In a vacuum what does Classic Tetris even mean? It's certainly not the first version since that would be on the Electronika 60 from 1985 which predates this NES version by 4 years. I do understand wanting to distinct it from the NES version by Tengen but a better solution would have been to rename the article accordingly. The Classic Tetris name also ruins the parity of the Game Boy article and at that point do you consider that to be "Classic"? I'd like to hear the reasons for this name change, and possibly even consider reverting this. --Bro3256 (talk) 12:04, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

I suggest asking User talk:Nickps for more information about this. He was the one that moved the article names from Tetris (NES video game) to Classic Tetris. Soafy234 (talk) 12:29, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

As I said in the edit summary, I did it per WP:NATDIS. Classic Tetris is a WP:COMMONNAME of NES Tetris and is unambiguous (no one refers to Gameboy Tetris or any other version as "Classic Tetris"). More generally, out of the WP:CRITERIA "Classic Tetris" meets all of them. It's recognizable, it's certainly natural and precise as I've explained above, and it's more concise than the previous title. As for the last criterion, while the new title is not consistent with Tetris (Game Boy video game), it is consistent with WP:NCVG which allows using unofficial names as page titles when [t]he unofficial name better meets the policy on article titles as identified in reliable sources and disambiguation is already necessary. Nickps (talk) 14:00, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

I have reverted the move. It was totally undiscussed, and unwarranted. No, it is not the more common name. It's a bit of specialist jargon that no one outside the competitive scene uses. It is a terrible choice. oknazevad (talk) 22:30, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

Requested move 30 May 2024

Tetris (NES video game) → Classic Tetris – As I explained above, "Classic Tetris" is a WP:COMMONNAME of NES Tetris and is unambiguous. It definitely is not specialist jargon that no one outside the competitive scene uses as can be seen by all the sources of this article that refer to the game as Classic Tetris: [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6]. I'd also encourage User:Oknazevad to read WP:ICA. Nickps (talk) 22:49, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

@Bro3256 and Soafy234: Courtesy ping. Nickps (talk) 22:56, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

Oppose First, Calling a choice terrible is not a personal attack. I didn't call you terrible.

As for the move, while it's not an unheard of nickname, it's fairly obscure, and not nearly as common of a name as simply being called Tetris or described as NES Tetris, which the current use of standard parenthetical disambiguation accounts for). Even the sources linked here (two of which are the same, btw) mostly call the game simply Tetris while using "Classic Tetris" as short hand for competitive play in the tournaments or "classic Tetris" as a descriptor, not the title (note the lack of the capital C when not used as part of the names of tournaments). WP:NATDIS allows for a less-common alternate to avoid parentheticals, but shouldn't be relied on when the alternate is so much less common. Plus, the game itself clearly is just called Tetris on its label, and its title screen. oknazevad (talk) 23:47, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

belittling a fellow editor, including the use of judgemental edit summaries or talk-page posts (e.g. "that is the stupidest thing I have ever seen", "snipped crap") is what I was referring to. Technically not WP:ICA but it's right next to it and impossible to miss. I never said anything about WP:PA, only WP:CIV. In any case, I want you to strike that comment.

Now, about the move. the game itself clearly is just called Tetris on its label, and its title screen. Irrelevant. WP:OFFICIALNAME is pretty clear that official names have no extra weight as opposed to unofficial ones. Descriptor or not, people refer to NES Tetris as Classic Tetris and that makes "Classic Tetris" a name and therefore fit for the Title per our WP:naming conventions. Also, do you have any data on "Classic Tetris" being so much less common than, say, NES Tetris or even fairly obsure? You just asserted that, the same way you asserted earlier that "Classic Tetris" is unused outside the competitive scene, which we know is false. Nickps (talk) 00:12, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

Oppose I've explained already regarding my concerns about the name Classic Tetris and I still stand by those concerns. I would like to add that there is already a Tetris game with a very similar name, Tetris Classic and I feel having two completely different games with more or less the same name but in reverse order to be unnecessary. Tetris (NES video game) gets the point across that this is the NES version of Tetris. I also find it pretty disrespectful to label this as the classic version of Tetris which disregards the various versions that came before and after. I'm fine with the article mentioning how the NES version of Tetris is sometimes referred to as Classic Tetris but for the sake of not confusing anyone further with the other versions of Tetris I am against the move to Classic Tetris for this article. Bro3256 (talk) 02:06, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

How does acknowledging that NES Tetris is the classic version of Tetris disrespectful to the other versions? That just sounds like WP:IDONTLIKEIT. Nestris stood the test of time in a way the other versions from that era didn't and that's why it has that title today. Tetris Classic is also not that relevant because Classic Tetris is clearly the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC out of the two. If people confuse them, the hatnote that already exists because Classic Tetris already redirects here will take care of that. The move won't make things any more or less confusing. Nickps (talk) 02:45, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose. Cited sources mention the Classic Tetris World Championship, but refer to the video game itself as "Tetris". 162 etc. (talk) 05:18, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

  No they don't. The sources I gave all refer to the game as Classic Tetris. Nickps (talk) 11:42, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose move. This feels more like a brand name for the championship than the actual name of the game. O.N.R. ^(talk) 06:04, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose move. Surely the most "classic version" of Tetris is for the Electronika 60, or even the (more famous than the NES?) version for the Game Boy? I don't think that referring to NES Tetris as "Classic Tetris" is likely amongst people who are broad-spectrum Tetris fans rather than NEStris fans specifically. Overall what version of Tetris is actually the "classic" will vary. Bayonet-lightbulb (talk) 06:15, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

Well, the community is pretty clear on this I think. Close per WP:SNOW Nickps (talk) 11:43, 31 May 2024 (UTC)