User talk:Lvklock/Archive 1

Archive 1

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Bear River Massacre

I am indeed interested in learning more about this event and things connected to it. I might be able to get a copy of the Utah Historical Quarterly from my local library (I live in Logan, Utah), or get it from Utah State University, so you don't need to go through any special effort to get a copy to me.

Thanks for the reference, however, and it looks like something perhaps I should try and dig up to add some additional references in this article. I've been meaning to give it a second look, and to clean up some of the unreferenced sections that I left dangling as uncited "facts". Building up the biliography alone would be worth it, especially if this source is as good as you claim. --Robert Horning (talk) 16:31, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Arthur Foss (tugboat)

You mentioned adding references for the Arthur Foss (tugboat) article, which I had tagged as needing reference improvements. The tag is to indicate serious problems. If you have improved the references and judge it does not need deserve the tag (even though it could still be improved, as an article can always be improved), then yes you should remove the tag. Anyone can add such a tag and anyone can remove such a tag. In this article, setting aside any plagiarism issue, the article seems to me now to be well-referenced and you would certainly remove the tag at this point.

About the plagiarism issue, though, I agree there is a problem. Three sentences in the first paragraph for example seem to be copied pretty much word-for-word from the 5th reference to the article. That reference is not a public domain source, so this is also copyright violation, I suppose. Some say anything as long as a three-word sequence copied is plagiarism; i would allow a bit more than 3 words in a row but here the word sequences are longer and clearly suggest copying, not independent coincidental ly similar wording. Can you reword the overlapping material? And/or put any specific assertions into quotes, crediting that site? I find it disappointing, always, to find plagiarism, but you've done well to catch it. Thanks for asking! doncram (talk) 22:24, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

USCGC Fir formatting etc

Thanks for cleaning up. Yes, the NBSP; character is apparently to be used in measurements, to keep the number and the unit of measurement together. I only learned about that from the automated review of the List of NHLs in New York, and subsequent discussion, within the peer review (which is still open at Wikipedia:Peer review/List of National Historic Landmarks in New York/archive1). Thanks again. doncram (talk) 06:09, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Daytona Beach NRHPs

Thank you for getting the pics of the Bartholomew J. Donnelly House and Tourist Church. I was going to try last weekend, but with Bike Week, thought it best to postpone. If you could get more shots of NRHPs there, it would be great. The list I'm using to keep track of what's need is here. And thanks for adding my photo to the Ponce de Leon Inlet Light article. I definitely need to go back on a nicer day, though, and get better shots, including ones from the top, doncha know :) -Ebyabe (talk) 23:23, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Florida on-line historic site documents

Hi -- In response to your question to me. http://www.flheritage.com/preservation/sitefile/faq.cfm indicates it might be possible to get on-line access to Florida documents, but it appears you would have to differentiate yourself from "the general public". Being an amateur but experienced writer of wikipedia articles could possibly suffice, I wonder.

"Q. Is Site File information available online? A. We do not offer self-service internet searches to the general public partly due to security concerns and due to archaeological site location and building plan Sunshine Law exemptions. Cultural Resource Management professionals may be able to gain time-limited, electronic access to files through a secure, password protected application but will need to contact Site File personnel for more information."

Hope this helps. Please do let me know if they do give you access. doncram (talk) 13:14, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Willard Memorial Chapel

I do think a list of RHPs would be too unwieldy too soon. About Willard Memorial Chapel: originally a seminary, later 7th day adventist, now community center/wedding venue. I don't know what religion a seminary is. Maybe if the list of NHLs that are churches is put into a table, there needs to be more than one column for religion, like:

• Name
• State
• Religion 1: religion of primary association with the site
• Religion 2: religion of secondary association

Go ahead, make a table out of it! doncram (talk) 02:04, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

nrhp multiple author reference

There's a bug with the referencing system, so using first= and last= and otherauthor= (or some such field like otherauthor) does not work properly. So don't use any of those fields when there are multiple authors, use something like "author=Joseph S. Smith, Betty Boop, and Harold Vanderkamp" instead. That's what i do. doncram (talk) 19:30, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Alternatively, you could put first author's name into Last, First format, as in "author=Smith, Joseph S., Betty Boop, and Harold Vanderkamp". This distinction is not very important, but that might appear better in a reference list with other single authored references that do appear in Last, First name order. This is how most academic journal reference lists would be prepared, as far as i know. Further, practice is to leave the 2nd and other authors in First Last name order, probably because adding commas just convolutes it all and could make it difficult to read which set of names append together to make one author name. Hope this helps. doncram (talk) 21:48, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Virginia NHLs

Hi -- I've started working on List of National Historic Landmarks in Virginia. I'd be very pleased if you were interested in contributing some edits there or in the NHL articles it indexes. I've invited Clariosophic and Kudzuvine also to work on that list, and invited Bedford to work on one specific article that I think he might be interested in.

Hopefully Kudzuvine will be interested and will work on the HABS pics available for many Virginia NHLs (again as there were lots for South Carolina, while there are relatively fewer HABS pics for historically industrial states like Ohio and New York.) But I don't know if he's interested in going outside of South Carolina much.

I do find it a lot more fun to work on a list where there are other nice people contributing too. Anyhow, you're invited!

Cheers, doncram (talk) 00:39, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! Clariosophic says he will help too. Oops, sorry those links within Alexandria Historic District were just bad. I respond further about that at Talk:List of National Historic Landmarks in Virginia. Glad you're on board. What would you like to do? I do observe the NRHP document is there for Aquia Church, the next one on the list. It would be great if you wanted to, but maybe there are other things you'd prefer to do than develop write-ups from those documents. I'll try to sketch out some other task ideas in the Talk page of the list. doncram (talk) 04:29, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Hi, well, i liked having the map show in the Pittsylvania County Courthouse article. Perhaps because it shows where Pittsylvania County is located and that is part of the name of the place, and part of why the place is out of the way, a possibly "hick" place where discrimination could flourish, to speculate a bit. I tend to wipe out the maps when the location gets redundant, like if there are 30 NHLs in New Orleans and everyone knows where there that is already. You could choose to edit differently. By the way, this one would be easy to do a quick DYK for. doncram (talk) 17:15, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

DYK

On 21 April, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Weippe Prairie, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Wizardman 00:41, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Hey congratulations. I had just noticed it, see it is on the main page and take a picture of it there. :) I took a print to PDF file, using that PDF995, of it.... doncram (talk) 02:15, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

dyk, too

Thanks, got ur note that Carter Hall (Millwood, Virginia) was lead dyk with pic, then went to see it. YAY! i took a pdf pic of it just now too. It was a Daniel from australia, not Daniel Case, who posted the DYK notice to my page, by the way. I think he/they must have liked that the pic included the portico which was part of the interesting fact of the cateract (?) op there.... doncram (talk) 01:34, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Cataldo Mission wipeout

I am objecting to Vatsun's elimination of some of our final work product in Cataldo Mission and all of our edit history by an abrupt merger with no discussion. See User talk:Vatsun#Cataldo Mission / Old Mission State Park. doncram (talk) 02:53, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

I am sorry that the merge was done without your say. I didn't use a merge tag, and that was caused the problem. It can always be reversed and done right, and I am not opposed to that, as long as it is done correctly. Please review my comment that I made atTalk:Old_Mission_State_Park. "Vatsun | Talk" 17:24, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Catskill articles

Not at all! I live down in Orange County, so I don't get up to Greene County too much. I do hike up in the Catskills there, and, as Rowena Memorial School and Thomas Cole Mountain demonstrate, I try to take relevant pictures there when I do. But at current gas prices it would be a while till I could jutify going up to Catskill to shoot those pictures. I still have a backlog of images but none include anything in Greene County, currently. I'm glad you started those articles ... I will probably use the stuff from the RHP noms to flesh them out (thank God NYSOPRHP puts all that online). I was going to leave you a note to that effect.

While you're at this, I invite you to join WikiProject Hudson Valley. We're slowly getting things moving. Daniel Case (talk) 16:16, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

NY NPS areas

Thanks! for creating descriptions for them, within List of NHLs in NY. That was one of the last deficiencies preventing its nomination to Featured List. Will review it all later. Thanks again doncram (talk) 17:06, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Marcellus photo needed

I commented in Wikipedia:Peer review/Marcellus Formation/archive1 about the possibility of a Central New Yorker taking a pic, if the specific location of the eponymous rock outcropping can be identified. I wonder if you could find the original or another location within Marcellus. Not sure if it would be that much appreciated by the Marcellus Formation article author, though. The pic in the article does look like rock you see around Syracuse though. Perhaps article should be added to WP:SYR, too, aren't you a member of that? Cheers, doncram (talk) 03:52, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Ooh, Slate Hill Road in Marcellus is the place, I bet. Gray or black has to do just with how wet it is i bet. All of the shale in the area must be from that formation. If you could take a pic there and post that, I am sure it is the right one. Also, you could call the Earth Sciences dept at University of Syracuse http://earthsciences.syr.edu/, Department of Earth Sciences / 204 Heroy Geology Lab / Syracuse, NY 13244 /Ph: 315-443-2672, to get confirmation. It's not that unusual for a department to get a call like this, you would call and ask the department staff if they could refer you to a faculty member who might be willing to give a few minutes to give an opinion. It's for a wikipedia article on the Marcellus Formation, and it's a good cause. Then email the pic to that person and phone him/her. If you find this geology interesting, which i do. If you took the pic and posted it but didn't want to contact the SU geology department contact, I guess i would do that if I knew exactly where the photo was from.

There is not a huge rush on this, just whenever you can get a pic at that road and if possible also at Skaneateles.

Also, to add a page to the Syracuse wikiproject, put {{SyracuseNYWikiProject}} on its Talkpage. Cheers, doncram (talk) 14:40, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

to nominate NY NHL list

With completion by you of recent descriptions editing for the List of NHLs in NY, i want to put it up for FL now. Let me know if there's anything you'd like to take care of first, or if you will be very unavailable during the upcoming period of the review. I trust this meets with your approval. I'm checking also with Dmadeo and Daniel Case, but think we should be good to go. Thanks for doing the edit review that you did, it looks great to me tho i can't make myself examine every detail right now. Cheers, doncram (talk) 21:43, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your followup. I think you are right that periods should not be included at end of sentence fragments in descriptions. Also, Ruhrfisch had previously offered to help with getting the article copy-edited, so I am asking for that help. He's not available for a few days, and then the copy-editor will need some time, so i am delaying nominating it for FL for a little while, anyhow. Thanks also for joining in on the List of Registered Historic Places in Los Angeles descriptions, too! doncram (talk) 18:07, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

To find the archived peer review, just go to the notice of the peer review having occured, at the top of the Talk page. "List of National Historic Landmarks in New York has had a peer review by Wikipedia editors which is now archived. It may contain ideas you can use to improve this article." Click on archived there. doncram (talk) 09:52, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

LA RHPs

i notice u are making a big dent in the descriptions needed for List of Registered Historic Places in Los Angeles. Thanks! Cbl62 and i (well, mostly he) are closing in getting pics for all of them. i went to the San Pedro area today and got 3 or 4 missing pics and a couple other useful ones (LAHCMs or CHISLs or extra pics of NRHPs). Thanks again for ur help! doncram (talk) 23:03, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Sorry i did not reply about Fire Station No. 23, i figured Cbl62 had changed something but i was not familiar with it till i saw the DYK earlier today on Engine Co. 27. Note, i added Fire Station No. 23 alternate name info into it, as that is the LAHCM name for it.

About NM NHL list, it would be great if u'd do ur descriptions magic, and yes the NRHP # should indeed be dropped from the description fields. I think it is there, out of table output, just to help in creating the articles. Thanks! doncram (talk) 00:17, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Franklin County Courthouse (Pennsylvania)

Thanks for saving my DYK on this. I think the date of the McCausland (sp?) raid is relevant and important to add to the article. The photo caption suggests it was in 1864, while i thot it happened as part of the prelude to the nearby Battle of Gettysburg. However i know Gettysburg took place July 1-3, 1863. Perhaps an alternative DYK ought to focus on this being the only Northern city burnt during the Civil War. I am so glad u have taken over, whew....  :) doncram (talk) 04:28, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

I see the DYK is at the top of the Template:Did you know/Next update, scheduled to go out in about 4 hours, so by at about 1 pm Pacific time. I was hoping that they would see u should get direct credit too, but I see there that it is me alone who is scheduled to get direct credit. I'll pass it along though. I am terribly excited about this, my second involving front porticos / columns. It is like my one about Carter Hall (Millwood, Virginia) that mentioned a cataract surgery on the portico, and u could see the columns.... doncram (talk) 15:40, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Hmm, this edit cancelled display of the pic in the next update, 3 hours or so from now. Argh. doncram (talk) 16:14, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

DYK awarded on Franklin County Courthouse (Pennsylvania)

On 5 June, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Franklin County Courthouse (Pennsylvania), which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--BorgQueen (talk) 19:54, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Courthouse, on Memorial Square in Chambersburg

Thanks, and, yay! The winning DYK phrase, crafted by Lvklock, was: Did you know "... that the Franklin County Courthouse incorporates the walls and columns left after Confederate forces burned the previous courthouse during the American Civil War?" doncram (talk) 20:06, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Chicago RHPs

Got ur note. Yes, i dropped the description column in the Chicago section of List of Registered Historic Places in Cook County, Illinois/Temp to prepare for DYK. Dropping the descriptions column is temporarily so table can look good for DYK, then to be added later. Note I put notes from some descriptions already there in new Talk page section of Talk: List of Registered Historic Places in Cook County, Illinois. Also i renumbered the list. Sorry if i caused any edit conflict for you. I am done for now. KudzuVine is responding, as he did for Los Angeles list-related request, to add HABS pics, seems to be at it right now, i had an edit conflict.

Thinking I will spin off Chicago article tomorrow maybe, then help developing the intro text to be DYK worthy (>1500 chars etc) and DYK hook, would be most appreciated. Thanks! doncram (talk) 17:14, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

NY 321, Foward Road, NY 174, NY 175, NY 173, NY 92, NY 41A, NY 359 pics

The roads above could use a good pic from what your giving. If its possible to get pics for the above roads, I would thank you much and give you something well deserved. Your local Skaneateles fanatic (not really from the area). :D ^Mitch32^contribs 17:54, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Just look for pics that describe the route, maybe 2 for each. These help give the reader a better idea of the road.^Mitch32^contribs 00:47, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Out of curiousity - its been 2 months, have you gotten any of the pictures? I also need one of St. Joseph's Church in Camillus for an article in a portal. If you could reply - thanks.Mitch32^(UP) 17:58, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

DANG. Really, really, really good pictures. Nice job, and it'll be a big thanks if you can get more for me.Mitch32^(UP) 13:29, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Add on a few more months. Any luck?Mitch32^{(Go Syracuse)} 23:49, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Yeah I still need it.Mitch32^{(Go Syracuse)} 13:52, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Fast forward 2 more months. You get the rest?Mitch32^{(Go Syracuse)} 13:40, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Note to self: 173, 174, 175, 41A & 359 are done. Still need Foward/Forward Road, 321 & 92, plus St. Joes Church. Lvklock (talk) 14:00, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Yay, thanks! Also can you get the Marcellus Falls Bridge on NY 174 about .3 of a mile north of Marcellus? Its designated NY 174X.Mitchazenia :  Chat  Trained for the pen 21:30, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Yay! (This is the 4th signature of mine on your user talk).Mitchazenia :  Chat  Trained for the pen 02:18, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Texas NHL in the news

See Wikipedia talk:WikiProject National Register of Historic Places#Emergency! Texas Governor's Mansion in the news. doncram (talk) 00:48, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Hi... glad to see u making DYK history with the Hill Street Blues setting, that is very helpful to remove a red-link from leading off the Chicago list-article, thanks!

For another DYK perhaps, check out Whittaker Chambers Farm which i just created. Check out the New York Times article it cites....I find it highly interesting. doncram (talk) 00:39, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

dyk hook, AVR 661

I had just found the Monash site and its pic labelled 63' AVR boat, and linked that from the AVR 661 stub article. Argh. Seems like the DYK hook is wrong then. Thanks. doncram (talk) 20:58, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Actually, since it is so hard to find any mention of AVR 661 on the web, I suspect it no longer exists or at least is no longer in Chicago. So the hook is probably correct, but i just can't document that AVR 661 is no longer there. There is mention in one blog of it being used for target practice.... doncram (talk) 21:27, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

i put more notes in AVR 661, followed up to Talk of wp:SHIPS where i had asked for help, and am set well enuf about AVRs. I changed the DYK hook somewhat. Alt Hooks would be welcome. thanks! doncram (talk) 22:19, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Pic permission

Just ask them to send you an email stating that they, as the author, irrevocably release all rights, or all rights save attribution (depending on whether they want to be credited whenever the image is republished), to the image. Use the {{PD-author}} or {{attribution}} tags depending on whichever option they prefer. At Commons, you'll probably be asked to forward the email to the permissions archive ... I can't remember what it is. But it's pretty easy. Daniel Case (talk) 03:04, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

BTW, nice work on those other two recent Catskill places ... I might be downloading the pics to improve them a bit but I have so many other things to do. Daniel Case (talk) 03:07, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

6/14 DYK

On 14 June, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article 7th District Police Station, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Bedford ^Pray 02:52, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

fourth of July, or bust

Yes, it seems the NPS's Pdf Focus website seems to be misfunctioning. It has been for a few days, which is very unfortunate. It tricked me into stating, in some new articles, that NRHP reference documents are not available, when they probably usually are available.

And, about the archeological site in Alaska that you were trying to get NRHP doc for, it probably is NOT available on-line at all. Especially for archeological sites, the Pdf Focus site does not have them. And, I think for Alaska i might have added the NRHP docs for every one where they were available, though there is little way for you to tell. More recently, when i try to add NRHP documents and find they are not available, i put in the footnote saying so. gotta run. doncram (talk) 21:06, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

uploading pics

Thanks for the Wilcox pic, it is great and timely!

I replied to your question about uploading friend's pics at my talk page, to keep the conversation together.

But, please do take one step and edit the photo file so that it is lower resolution (fine for webpages). I find it extremely easy to do this now and am doing so routinely. When i click on a .jpg that has been saved to my computer, it opens in Microsoft Office Picture Manager. I select Picture / Rotate, and rotate 1 degree or so if necessary. I select Picture / Crop and crop as necessary. Then when it looks good, I save it under a name like Image:WilcoxOctagonHouse 2008-06-19 cropped Lg030.jpg , where Lg indicates to me it is the full, large-file version of the picture. Then, I select Picture / Compress pictures, and choose the 3rd compress for option: Web pages. And i save it again, under almost the same name but using Sm rather than Lg, to indicate it is the Small-size file. I am choosing Lg and Sm as sort of code, so as not to say "low-resolution" and then receive any grief back from anyone for doing that. Do see my followup at my talk page on how to upload others' pics. doncram (talk) 01:02, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

octagon houses

I just replied to Daniel Case's comment at Template talk:Did you know#Articles created/expanded on June 15. Nice to see he likes the article at least, but still we may not have the right hook. Please chime in if u can come up with any alternative! doncram (talk) 18:20, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

fourth of July, or bust....

I noticed. It's amazing we're that close. I hadn't change the State Parks b/c they're State Parks, so technically are under protected areas. But I could always add the NRHP infobox beneath. I should be able to do some fixing of the other stuff. If there's more than what you mentioned, lemme know and I'll see what I can do. Though I'll have to fit it in and around my photo roadtrips. Which, though, with the weather lately may be curtailed. But we really do need the rain, so I ain't complaining too much. Cheers! :) --Ebyabe (talk) 22:57, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

I got all the ones you mentioned. I had to gut one section of Villa Vizcaya, as it was a copyvio from what looked like a blog, of all things. Ironic that I put the {{moresources}} tag on that article last September. If there's anything else, lemme know. I'm also going to try and add bits to the summary section of the Florida list, since it can use them. Cheers! :) --Ebyabe (talk) 22:10, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for going through the NJ NHL's, I'm glad it was an easier task for you. dm (talk) 01:50, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

I wonder, is NM done? Its stubs were created, not sure if there are any other problems. Also i think SC and WA are probably cleanly done, and that VA is nearly as clean. I suggested, over at wt:NRHP, that we just try to do the complete checkoff on as many states as possible, perhaps we can do 40 states at the current, expanded scope level. I am too concerned otherwise, that there is not enough time to address issues raised already, or that will be raised just before the deadline, in your review process. Your reviewing is really helpful! Please feel free to comment there. doncram (talk) 08:33, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for reviewing 4 (or now 5?) state NHL lists in one day! I noticed it has been adding up, in terms of a lot of states having complete reviews now, but have not focused on how much added any one day. I just see them one at a time, the list is so long to look at now... And, not meaning to be a slaved-driver, just trying to point u to the easy ones to do next, when convenient. Really we are okay already. Getting to 40 state-lists done in this way would be great, too, but is not necessary to call this a success already. Thanks! doncram (talk) 09:31, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

DYK 6/22/08

On 22 June, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article List of octagon houses, which you recently nominated. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Keilana|^{Parlez ici} 06:44, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Yay! the DYK finally went through, and the DYK hook, with no picture though, is on the Wikipedia main page right now. The DYK administrator saw fit to directly award the DYK plaque to you, not to Clariosophic or me. Thief! :)

The hook that appears now is, Did You Know: *... that zooming in from satellite view, one can see the outlines of Wilcox Octagon House and most of the 82 octagon houses listed on the U.S. National Register?

Thanks for all you did, including taking the Wilcox pic and crafting a finally-successful DYK hook! It was fun getting the list out, at least. :) doncram (talk) 07:08, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Main Street Station (Richmond) NRHP infobox

Did you steal my idea? (j/k) I was planning to combine the Amtrak & NRHP infoboxes for Main Street Station (Richmond), but I was going to start by making an NRHP infobox first. Anyway, I'm glad you added the NRHP infobox. ----DanTD (talk) 12:24, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

FYI there are combined infoboxes for some ships now, with one infobox combining a Ship infobox and an NRHP infobox. But i don't know about any combined station - NRHP infoboxes yet. For ship-NRHP articles, it seems sometimes better to have one combined infobox, and sometimes in longer articles to keep them separate. I could find the combined infobox examples if that was helpful to you. doncram (talk) 17:38, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Fourth of July, or bust, Thanks!

		The Fourth of July, or bust, Barnstar
		I award you this Barnstar for your solid, witty, creative, supportive, learned, timely, cheerful, eloquent, and/or otherwise generally great contributions on U. S. National Historic Landmarks' articles. Yippee o yay, we pretty much met our goal of a well-started article for each of 2,442 NHLs by today! Thanks, and have a great Fourth of July! -- Doncram, 4 July 2008

Completely agree, you did a heroic amount of work editing and reviewing all of those state lists. Congratulations! dm (talk) 17:27, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for your great support in this cleanup drive. Well, it may have been support at first, but your leadership in working out a review style and your persistence in applying it, across 54 area-lists and 2,442 separate NHLs, was truly awesome! Thank you for solving so many (hundreds i am sure) basic problems with NHL articles during this drive, to bring us to 80% completion of articles according to the Lvklockian standard. :) Thanks for helping to bring a tangential involvement with octagon houses during the drive to a successful enough closure. :) And of course thanks for your prior development of numerous NHL articles in NY and New England! doncram (talk) 18:18, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

NHL Dates

I suspect he meant The state lists like this NY one Just change NY to whatever state you need dm (talk) 21:39, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

date and name checking / NPS errors

You noted "I was checking the List of National Historic Landmarks in Nevada list against the The Nevada NHL list. The NHL list shows Leonard Rockshelter 2X, but not the Francis G. Newlands House at all. I thought this was the definitive list. How do I know that our list is correct? Lvklock (talk) 23:00, 11 July 2008 (UTC)". Well, it looks like there is an error in the NHL list. By the way, I am referring to the full nation-wide PDF list, in which Nevada is page 60 of 118, of which the NV list you refer to is one page. For our use in citing, we want to use the full one, because it has a version date and title up front and other info to use in a specific citation, by the way, as Ipoellet pointed out to me once in the List of NHLs in CA talk page. I don't know if there are any discrepancies between the separate state PDFs vs. the full 118 page one; i only use the full one now.

Anyhow it also omits the Newlands house and includes the Rockshelter twice. The NHL summary webpages show the Newlands house one though, which is our source on this then i guess. I guess the List of NHLs in NV page would be more accurate if it noted that. Also, i should put it into my NHLinfo list of NPS errors on NHLs, mostly discrepancies between NHL webpages and other sources. (Okay, added that). Thanks for noting it. Overall, though, the NHL PDF list is very good, much better than the NHL summary webpages which often have errors relative to the NHL PDF list and/or the NRHP inventory/nomination documents. Thanks! doncram (talk) 04:25, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Nocoroco DYK

On 2 August, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Nocoroco, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Daniel Case (talk) 04:09, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Nooo problem! Biruitorul ^Talk 13:40, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

DYK

On 10 August, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Aurora Village-Wells College Historic District, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Gatoclass (talk) 12:14, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

No, the hook wasn't too specialized, just too long. We generally favour shorter hooks at DYK because the long ones don't work as well, and at the moment, we have a backlog which means shorter hooks are strongly preferred.

Normally if a hook is too long I can find a way to just trim it a bit, unfortunately with that particular hook there just didn't seem to be any way to trim it without it becoming meaningless :) Gatoclass (talk) 17:57, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

FL candidacy List of NHLs in NY

Hi lvklock! I nominated List of NHLs in NY for Featured List. Please watch, please feel free to add to discussion at Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of National Historic Landmarks in New York. Cheers, doncram (talk) 23:53, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Cobblestone Farmhouse new listing

Hey, I wonder if you'd like to create an article for Cobblestone Farmhouse at 1229 Birdsey Road, Seneca County, New York. It's another of the NPS's new weekly featured listings. Let me know and i will help. I got the DYK "credit" for similar Dutton-Waller Raised Tybee Cottage, which i only developed to 1500 characters because you had contributed to it considerably and brought it near. I don't think i thanked you properly...Thanks! This cobblestone one is also sourced by the Cobblestone MPS that we've seen already. doncram (talk) 01:59, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Okay good. Perhaps you could start it in a sandbox, so i could do my usual stuff? I would copy in my latest and edit the references. Also, could use help on George Nakashima House, Studio and Workshop which is the most recent featured listing. Unfortunately i just started it in mainspace so DYK clock is ticking, tho i don't really care about that. Actually i saw a story about Nakashima on tv, perhaps on Antiques Roadshow, his furniture and his studio complex are neat, would be nice to start a good article on the studio complex. doncram (talk) 03:46, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

I put ur nom for Birdsey into the DYK pipeline, just in time i suppose. Thanks for getting/adding the Gerrit Smith Estate pics! doncram (talk) 01:20, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Peterboro Land Office

Would you please look at Peterboro Land Office and clean it up? It's an absolute mess, and you're the only contributor. 71.204.176.201 (talk) 22:40, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

I put the under construction tag on the stub to let anyone who looked know that I was working on it. You obviously checked the history, so could see that I just started it today. I realize that there is, as yet, no text, but other than that, I disagree with the article being a total mess. It has the appropriate infobox, good references and a nice photo gallery. I will be finishing it in the next day or so, between commitments in the real world. Lvklock 01:03, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Actually, it was this version that I looked at. The commentary is what caught my eye. Sorry if the "absolute mess" comment was too much. 71.204.176.201 (talk) 01:14, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

DYK!

On 31 August, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Cobblestone Farmhouse at 1229 Birdsey Road, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Thank you for your contributions! - Mailer Diablo 08:10, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Chemung

Ooh it would be great if you could get Newtown Battlefield, the one NHL in List of Registered Historic Places in Chemung County, New York. Yeah, printing from the RHP lists doesn't necessarily work out well and depends on browser and printer; it is working fine for me printing from Firefox to PDF995 now though. doncram (talk) 06:53, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

NPS on terminology

Thanks for the heads-up ... I posted it there now. Daniel Case (talk) 22:02, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Also, I've been meaning to give you this ...

		The Photographer's Barnstar
		For heading into the deep recesses of Central New York and bringing back quality images of National Historic Landmarks like Newtown Battlefield and NRHP listings in small towns. Daniel Case (talk) 22:02, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

new peer review of List of NHLs in NY

Perhaps you could comment and watch Wikipedia:Peer review/List of National Historic Landmarks in New York/archive2, where i have asked for a new peer review of List of NHLs in NY. I am hoping that low-key discussion can help address issues raised in the FL review that failed, address other issues suggested but not detailed, and otherwise improve the article for FL renom. doncram (talk) 00:49, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Vermont google maps

Hey, sorry i didnt get back to you sooner about adding Google map links to Vermont lists of RHPs. I thought that table-izing the Vermont county lists would need to be done first, but at least the first one alphabetically is already table-ized. Then, all you need to do is add the "GeoGroupTemplate". And click on the "Map of all coordinates" link it provides. Sometimes the link doesn't work right away, it can take a few hours for longer lists.

I actually add the whole following passage:

{{GeoGroupTemplate}}
This is intended to be a complete list of properties and districts listed on the [[National Register of Historic Places]] in [[Addison County, Vermont]].  The locations of National Register properties and districts (at least for all showing latitude and longitude coordinates below) may be seen in a Google map by clicking on "Map of all coordinates".<ref>{{NRHPGoogleMapFootnote}}</ref>

Hope this helps. doncram (talk) 01:14, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

featured listings list

Thanks for requesting and reporting on the NRHP's featured listings list, in the article and in the discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/National Register of Historic Places featured properties and districts. Whichever way the AfD goes, the deletion nominator has "won" if her goal was to force a bunch of people to spend time on this. I rather hate the non-constructive nature of that. Anyhow, thanks for supporting it. doncram (talk) 17:47, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Hmm, i don't mean to project what her goal was, that perhaps sounded snarky. I don't know what her goal was. Yes, it's nice that the AfD was closed with KEEP. As a matter of rhetorical style, it was interesting how the last sequence went: your new info; my interpretation and expansion; deletion nominator different interpretation; your rebuttal; closed as keep. I think your rebuttal was strong for referencing what the deletion nominator had originally said, and seemed convincing. Thanks! doncram (talk) 14:32, 24 October 2008 (UTC)