Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Andrea Rinaldi

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The result was keep. TonyBallioni (talk) 06:18, 16 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Andrea Rinaldi

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The subject was a successful youth player, but he didn't have success in a major international competition at the highest level. I was told at the talk page one Serie C appearance (he achieved just that, one appearance) was enough to meet GNG per WP:NFOOTY , but I couldn't confirm this. So I nominate it for deletion. Paradise Chronicle (talk) 06:04, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Two sources are databases and the others mention his early death with some info on his football career as a youth and the one appearance in the Serie C. I quote WP:NFOOTY that leads to WP:SPORTBASIC (also accounts for the bold part above) at Wikipedia:Notability (sports) Sports biographies must include at least one reference to a source providing significant coverage of the subject, excluding database sources. Meeting this requirement alone does not indicate notability, but it does indicate that there are likely sufficient sources to merit a stand-alone article.

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. Paradise Chronicle (talk) 06:04, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Football and Italy. Skynxnex (talk) 13:33, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Giant Snowman 15:28, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - one appearance was enough to meet NFOOTBALL, but that is now defunct, so it is irrelevant. What matters is GNG - and I think there is enough coverage out there to show notability. Giant Snowman 15:30, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Per above. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 16:32, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the explanations @GiantSnowman. But can you explain to me what of the underlined in bold was achieved? As a sportsperson he doesn't appear to meet the requirements no highest level, no international competition, so where enters GNG? Just so I know how to argue in future discussions. Paradise Chronicle (talk) 17:29, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
You are incorrectly conflating 'playing at a professional level' with 'meeting GNG'. As I have said - the level of play is irrelevant. What matters is GNG i.e. significant coverage. Giant Snowman 18:19, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Then they are notable for one event which is their death at an early age, what the headlines are all about.

But reading WP:ONEEVENT lets me see that they also do not meet this criteria. If one reads WP:NOTNEWS also makes me feel the article fails GNG. All to understand how to argue in future deletion discussions. Paradise Chronicle (talk) 03:55, 4 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Trying to follow to your rationale of GNG I found that one:Wikipedia:INDISCRIMINATE. Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. Paradise Chronicle (talk) 05:01, 4 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep passes GNG.--Ortizesp (talk) 23:28, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:ONEEVENT. Mr Rinaldi's football career wasn't notable; in recent times, even before WP:NFOOTBALL was deprecated, a subject with no football-related WP:SIGCOV and just eight minutes in Serie C would have very likely been deleted. His untimely death received immediate coverage, and some of that was website coverage at a national level because he was once on the books of a team people would have heard of, but that doesn't make him notable. No prejudice against re-creation, perhaps as Death of Andrea Rinaldi, if the event had a lasting effect: if his death were to become the catalyst for requiring particular medical checks on footballers at a lower level, for instance. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 08:12, 4 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Note, I want to deleted it per WP:ONEEVENT, WP:NOTNEWS and Wikipedia:INDISCRIMINATE. No-one has opposed those arguments yet, so I believe they are valid.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 17:56, 9 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Dr Salvus 21:02, 9 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - he was a young player at a top team, hence his death received significant coverage worldwide. This coverage also came from good sources: Sky, BBC, goal.com, CNN, as well as pretty much every English newspaper - and these are just the English sources, there’s obviously significant coverage in Italy as well. Davidlofgren1996 (talk) 18:10, 12 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.