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August 31

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[Posted] Gabonese presidential election

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Article: Gabonese presidential election, 2016 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Ali Bongo Ondimba (pictured) is re-elected President of Gabon. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ At least five people are killed in Libreville, Gabon, during protests against the re-election of President Ali Bongo Ondimba (pictured).
News source(s): Al Jazeera, BBC News, Reuters
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The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Official results came out on Wednesday, protests have been occurring since then. Fuebaey (talk) 00:11, 3 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

suppory with controversy mentionLihaas (talk) 15:16, 3 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

[Posted] Fossils suggest life on Earth appeared 4 billion years ago

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Articles: Abiogenesis (talk · history · tag) and Isua Greenstone Belt (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ World's oldest fossils found in Greenland suggests life on Earth appeared more than 4 billion years ago (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The world's oldest fossils discovered in the Isua Greenstone Belt are found to be 3.7 billion years old.
Alternative blurb II: ​ World's oldest fossils, dated in Greenland to 3.7 billion years, suggest life first evolved over 4 billion years ago.
News source(s): Nature, BBC
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Both articles need updating

 Count Iblis (talk) 21:01, 31 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Current blurb is too long and awkward. Change it to Oldest fossils, x mil yrs old, are found in Y, Greenland.
Yes, it's so much shorter when you use X and Y. PS. The fossils weren't discovered today. Stephen 08:16, 1 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that the current blurb is a bit awkward and the prefacing bit "Scientists announce that" doesn't really add anything. I would suggest: "Fossils from the Isua Greenstone Belt, Greenland, are found to be world's oldest, having formed about 3.7 billion years ago." Dragons flight (talk) 08:44, 1 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
That's a good change, go for it. Stephen 09:03, 1 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Done. Black Kite (talk) 09:46, 1 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The current blurb does not explain the importance of the discovery. It is an evidence of oldest LIFE on earth. A common reader does not get fosil=life. I say add something ilke "fossil x yr old, evidence for first time life appeared on Earth. Nergaal (talk) 12:20, 1 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

[Posted] Dilma Rousseff removed as President of Brazil

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Articles: Dilma Rousseff (talk · history · tag) and Impeachment of Dilma Rousseff (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Brazilian President Dilma Rousseff is removed from office as a result of impeachment proceedings against her. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The Senate of Brazil removes Dilma Rousseff as President of Brazil.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Michel Temer becomes President of Brazil after the Senate removes Dilma Rousseff from office.
Alternative blurb III: ​ Michel Temer becomes President of Brazil after the Senate removes Dilma Rousseff from office. Bolivia, Ecuador, and Venezuela severs relations with Brazil.
News source(s): BBC, Hindustan Times, New York Times
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One or both nominated events are listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

 -- Allen3 talk 17:26, 31 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose - We already posted this in May.--WaltCip (talk) 17:57, 31 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Note Then in May, President Dilma was suspended, now in August she has been impeached. Rousseff is no longer President of Brazil and she is unable to receive an expresident pension. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 148.101.57.231 (talk) 18:11, August 31, 2016‎
  • Support. The prior posting was her mere suspension from office; this is the final decision to remove her from office. I think the blurb should indicate that the Acting President/Vice President will finish her term. This is ITNR as a change in head of state. 331dot (talk) 18:13, 31 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, this is a big decision affecting a head of state. --Tone 18:19, 31 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, the difference is between an indictment, WalCip and a conviction. We maybe shouldent have posted the impeachment, But Brazil is a major world country. The removal from office and stripping of rights and pension are the more important story. The Rousseff article is in good shape, I haven't looked at the impeachment article. μηδείς (talk) 18:28, 31 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • According to WP:ITNR, it is the succession of a head of state that qualifies for ITNR, not simply a change. As such, the blurb should focus on Michel Temer becoming the new president. Added this as an alt-blurb. Mamyles (talk) 18:34, 31 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
There has been a succession in head of state; I used 'change' in place of succession. In practice we generally post changes in head of state as such. 331dot (talk) 18:54, 31 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

August 30

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August 30, 2016 (2016-08-30) (Tuesday)
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  • The European Union orders Apple to pay up to 13 billion euros in back taxes to Ireland. A three-year investigation by the EU's competition commissioner concludes that Apple received "illegal state aid" from Ireland, the EU order that Apple pay 13 billion euros ($14.5 billion), and, in addition, interest and unpaid taxes. (Reuters)

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[Posted] RD: Věra Čáslavská

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Article: Věra Čáslavská (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Reuters
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Would easily pass under old RD criteria as well. Update is there, but some more work would be nice. Brandmeistertalk 13:38, 31 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

[Closed] Radio signal from 95-ly away

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Though potentially a huge story, this is far from being confirmed to the level where we could be confident in posting. --Tone 14:20, 30 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: HD 164595 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Russian radio telescope RATAN-600 observed “a strong signal” from a star with known exoplanets only 95 light-years away. (Post)
News source(s): Guardian, Business Insider
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Nominator's comments: SETI has been looking for anything like this for decades ever since the Wow! signal in 1977. The signal was observed about a yr ago, but it has surfaced only now. It may be a false-positive (aka spy satellite?) but on the remote chance that it isn't... considering that OUR first radio transmission was only 115 years away, a system 95 ly is kinda worrying. Anything we transmitted in 1920 is reaching the system now and one exoplanet HD 164595 b is already confirmed to exist. Nergaal (talk) 09:49, 30 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
It's unlikely to be a computer fluke to be honest, much more likely is that it's a fake signal (i.e. some natural process not yet accounted for gave rise to the signal, or the resolution of the instrument wasn't high enough, etc). Banedon (talk) 13:42, 30 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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August 29

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[Closed] Uzbek president dead

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Superseded by this nomination. Fuebaey (talk) 00:16, 3 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Islam Karimov (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Uzbek president Islam Karimov dies aged 78. (Post)
News source(s): TeleSUR
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Nominator's comments: Source given says relatives have confirmed his death. EternalNomad (talk) 23:03, 29 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
reopen and support with update today's newsLihaas (talk) 11:32, 2 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
To clarify, his being dead seems to be a matter of dispute, with the government stating that he is still alive. 331dot (talk) 15:37, 2 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Well, after this I propose wait.--Jenda H. (talk) 15:40, 2 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Good point. -Ad Orientem (talk) 15:48, 2 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
(ec) It only is if we already know who his successor is. Generally temporary/interim successors don't count, from my experience here. 331dot (talk) 15:49, 2 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The death of a head of state/government while in office usually gets a blurb. -Ad Orientem (talk) 18:19, 2 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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[Posted RD] RD: Gene Wilder

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Article: Gene Wilder (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Variety
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Nominator's comments: Blurb? – Muboshgu (talk) 19:36, 29 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

[Removed] Louisiana floods

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Article: 2016 Louisiana floods (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item removal (Post)

Nominator's comments: The article itself says the floodings ended on 22 Aug. While relief and reconstruction may still take weeks/months, I think the most relevant part (state of emergency, loss of lives, destruction) is already gone. Cato censor (talk) 12:55, 29 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

August 28

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  • The Indian Space agency ISRO successfully tests its Scramjet engines. Two scramjet engines were mounted alongside of a two-stage, solid fueled rocket called Advanced Technology Vehicle (ATV), which is an advanced sounding rocket. Scramjet engines were then ignited when ATV achieved a speed of Mach 6 (7350 km/hr) at an altitude of 20 km. (The Hindu)

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[Posted] RD: Juan Gabriel

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Article: Juan Gabriel (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
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 Erick (talk) 22:45, 28 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Juan Gabriel was prolific Mexican singer-songwriter whose death was confirmed by the LA coroner's office and the president of Mexico. Gabriel was honored an induction in the International Latin Music Hall of Fame, the Billboard Latin Music Hall of Fame, and named Latin Recording Academy Person of the Year in 2009. His album, Recuerdos, Vol. II is the bestselling album of all time in Mexico. In addition to singing, he also composed songs for other Latin artists such as Rocio Durcal, José José, and Isabel Pantoja. Erick (talk) 22:45, 28 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I want to improve on the article, but there's so many edits coming, it makes it hard. I'll see what I can do at the least. Erick (talk) 22:58, 28 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@WaltCip: I thought about that, but I wasn't sure how I would go doing it. Should I change the nomination or leave it as is? Erick (talk) 15:00, 29 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Tone: WaltCip mentioned something about pushing for a blurb and was wondering if there is a chance for that? Erick (talk) 17:46, 29 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Hm, this is a clear RD case, so it was posted quickly. For a full blurb I'd have to see a broader discussion with a clear consensus. Let's see. --Tone 18:29, 29 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Very well, is there anything I should do like update the template or is it fine the way it is? Erick (talk) 18:34, 29 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Post RD comment, can we revisit if Juan Gabriel meets the blurb criteria? It was pointed above. I knew he was relevant for Hispanic American countries, but after multiple searches for the update I've been doing, I have found that many of his songs were translated to multiple languages and with over 100K records sold he can be one of the best-selling music artists (he is not listed there because strangely there is a criteria of inclussion). Anyway, here are some sources I have found [4][5][6][7][8]. © Tbhotch™ (en-2.5). 22:20, 29 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

[Posted] FARC ceasefire

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Articles: Colombian conflict (talk · history · tag) and FARC (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Colombian FARC rebels announce a definitive ceasefire. (Post)
News source(s): BBC
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 The Rambling Man (talk) 21:38, 28 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

August 27

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August 27, 2016 (2016-08-27) (Saturday)
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August 26

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Bolivian Deputy Minister murdered

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Article: Rodolfo Illanes (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Bolivian Deputy Interior Minister Rodolfo Illanes is kidnapped and beaten to death by miners. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Bolivian Deputy Interior Minister Rodolfo Illanes dies after being kidnapped and beaten by miners.
News source(s): SMH BBC
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Nominator's comments: I think this murder is unusual and notable enough to be posted (as we did with Jo Cox), if we can get the article up to standard. EternalNomad (talk) 15:07, 27 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

[Posted] Third Bosphorus bridge

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Article: Yavuz Sultan Selim Bridge (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A third bridge across the Bosphorus, Yavuz Sultan Selim Bridge opens to traffic. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Yavuz Sultan Selim Bridge, the world's widest and tallest cable-stayed suspension bridge, opens to traffic across the Bosphorus.
News source(s): TRT World
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Article updated

 Brandmeistertalk 11:46, 27 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment If this is posted I think the blurb should note that it's the tallest and broadest suspension bridge in the world, as that is (imho) more newsworthy than simply being the third bridge across a particular bit of water. There is at least one cn tag that needs addressing though. Thryduulf (talk) 11:50, 28 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Added altblurb. Brandmeistertalk 13:02, 28 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I've commented out the uncited sentence. Brandmeistertalk 17:26, 28 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

[Closed] Dragonfly 44

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No consensus, stub. Stephen 04:02, 2 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Dragonfly 44 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A newly-discovered galaxy known as Dragonfly 44 appears to be made up mostly of dark matter. (Post)
News source(s): (IBTimes)
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Nominator's comments: Significant scientific discovery. Shhhhwwww!! (talk) 12:14, 26 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. The article is not remotely ready to be on the main page. Not sure whether or not this would be worth posting if a more substantial article were available. Dragons flight (talk) 12:52, 26 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - article is not ready per Dragons flight, but the idea is potentially postable. A lot depends on the technicalities, however, and if it is posted it will have to be carefully explained why this matters. I'll take a look at it when I can. Banedon (talk) 12:54, 26 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support if the Wiki-article is judged to be good enough. This observation is very interesting, it fits a lot better in the idea that dark matter doesn't primarily consist of subatomic particles but rather consists of massive black holes (20 to 100 times the solar mass). Such massive black holes can form in certain inflationary scenarios, see e.g. here, and they would then be able to act as the seeds for galaxies to form. In the usual particle dark matter theories, it's difficult to explain how galaxies with supermassive black holes formed very soon after the Big Bang. Also, the first detection of gravitational waves was due to a black hole merger that as pointed out here could well have been such primordial black holes. Count Iblis (talk) 18:07, 26 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose primarily on article quality. It needs significant expansion with good sourcing. Will happily reconsider if this happens. -Ad Orientem (talk) 18:53, 26 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose stub, marked as such. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:16, 26 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose for several reasons. First, this is not that significant to the general public as the Proxima Centauri b blurb (although from a fundamental standpoint it's likely to be more significant). Second, the reasons why it is important are relatively technical, which in turn means only a specialized group of people (i.e. scientists) are keen about this. Third, from what I gather the dark matter is inferred by the mass-to-luminosity ratio, which doesn't rule out baryonic dark matter in this case. It's still interesting alright, I just don't think it's at the level of ITN (yet). Banedon (talk) 04:00, 27 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. The galaxy was discovered over a year ago. What is new is the hypothesis that its dimness is due to its being made of mostly dark matter. Abductive (reasoning) 06:54, 27 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose due to extreme brevity of stub article. Abductive (reasoning) 06:54, 27 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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[Posted] Papahānaumokuākea Marine National Monument

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Article: Papahānaumokuākea Marine National Monument (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Barack Obama expands the Papahānaumokuākea Marine National Monument off the coast of Hawai'i, making it the largest national park on the planet. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The United States quadruples the size of the Papahānaumokuākea Marine National Monument, making it the largest protected area in the world.
News source(s): (The Washington Post)
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Nominator's comments: It is one of the largest parks in the world and now the crowning legacy of Obama. Shhhhwwww!! (talk) 12:14, 26 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment. I'm pretty sure the phrasing should be "largest marine reserve" or maybe "largest protected area" (depending on whether or not one chooses to count Antarctica). It's not a park, and marine reserves generally aren't described as such. Also, I don't think the suggested image is clear enough at this size to be useful. Dragons flight (talk) 12:44, 26 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose I don't see the blurb referenced in the article, I do see "It is one of the largest marine protected areas (MPAs) in the world" and that's it. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:15, 26 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose – Seems rather a bureaucratic move – something on his to-do list before leaving office. Sca (talk) 14:51, 27 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support because why not? It's a major event involving the "best in class" for marine protected areas. I'm adding an alt blurb though, since the more accurate term appears to be "marine protected area". I removed the Barack Obama and Hawaii links as well, since they seem less relevant to the item. Banedon (talk) 01:27, 29 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
If posted, Obama should be left in the blurb, because he used his Antiquities Act authority to expand the monument on his own by executive order. 331dot (talk) 21:54, 30 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Late Support with a slightly modified altblurb. The blurb is now reflected in the lede of the article, and this is now the largest protected area in the world, marine or not, National Park or not. It's the largest in it's (well-encompassing) class, and it's definitely in the news; a foreign, non-English speaking colleague mentioned it to me yesterday. I don't think Obama or whatever bureaucratic instrument needs to be mentioned in the blurb. The story is the park itself, and those other points can be found in the article for the interested reader.128.214.53.104 (talk) 07:55, 31 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
There's a very fine article here that fully meets the ITN criteria. It would be nice to see this on the front page before it goes stale.128.214.53.104 (talk) 06:54, 1 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

[Closed] Pegasus cyber warfare

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No consensus. Stephen

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Article: Pegasus (spyware) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Apple Inc. fixes iOS vulnerability characterised as cyber-warfare (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Apple Inc. fixes iOS vulnerability targeting human rights campaigners
Alternative blurb II: ​ Apple Inc. fixes iOS vulnerability exploited by cyber-war company
Alternative blurb III: ​ Bugs in iOS uncovered by Citizen Lab have been exploited for years by governments to spy on dissidents and journalists.
News source(s): BBC News, New York Times Washington Post
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Nominator's comments: Major event linking tech news to geopolitics. Vulnerability affecting all iOS 9 devices - including about 900 million mobile phones worldwide. Samsara 12:30, 26 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I ask because a link to the article is not included in the blurbs, and without a point of focus I am unsure where to suggest adding it. The Israeli company, NSO Group actually has a better update and might be worth considering here. Fuebaey (talk) 20:11, 26 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Oppose - I don't know if there are 900 million active devices, but still: Apple's market share of the smartphone market is not more than 20%. If we post this, things like the upcoming iPhone 7 release should also be posted; however I remember nominating the Windows 10 release (which does impact 900 million active devices) and it was quickly rejected. In the end it's up to consensus and I'm OK with posting this, just that the implications are obvious and they contradict what we have decided in the past. Banedon (talk) 01:18, 29 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    • With all due respect, the reach of an event like this is completely different from a scheduled model refresh. We're basically talking about the revelation of a global market for security vulnerabilities that a major company like Apple in spite of its insistence that it can provide a secure user experience, has not been able to stop. Basically, this is saying that if you stick your neck out too far, your device could be targeted next, and all you'd have to do is unwittingly click on a link that someone sends you (yes, it could be from someone you think you know) that is tailored to your interests. In the current case, your browser would quit, and in all likelihood, you might think little of it. The next similar software they come up with, your browser might not crash and you'll actually have no idea that anything unusual happened. In terms of motivating journalists to expose the inner workings of the exploit trade, the only other similar event we've had so far was Stuxnet, and I'm sure anyone will recall how big that was. Samsara 19:53, 30 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not convinced I'm afraid. Zero-day bugs exist in practically any software, so the fact that such vulnerabilities exist in Apple's software is nothing new. That clicking on links can trigger attacks is also well-known, as is the fact that malicious hackers are likely to disguise their attacks as legitimate software. If this item is news at all, it should be because it affects a large number of devices. Stuxnet is different: it was a cyberweapon between nations, and effectively an act of war. Banedon (talk) 01:00, 31 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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August 25

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  • Three people are killed and two are injured after a crossbow attack in Scarborough, Toronto. A suspicious package was also found in another linked event.(CBC)

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[Posted] RD: Dame Margaret Anstee

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Article: Margaret Anstee (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): UNA-UN
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Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: UN diplomat. Article fully sourced. MurielMary (talk) 04:42, 27 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Rudy Van Gelder

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Article: Rudy Van Gelder (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NY Times NorthJersey.com KQED
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Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Article looks pretty good, could use a few more sources and a pic (if possible) Challenger l (talk) 08:44, 26 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

[Posted] RD: Sonia Rykiel

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Article: Sonia Rykiel (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC, NY Times, Vogue, Deutsche Welle
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Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: French fashion designer, known as the "Queen of Knitwear". Rykiel was also a writer. She received several French honours, including the Legion of Honor from two presidents. The article needs some work, as it's mostly unsourced. JuneGloom07 Talk 15:39, 25 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Change to support. Great work on improvements, nice to have an image of her work as well. Agree it's "ready". MurielMary (talk) 21:14, 26 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

[Pulled] Fall of Qayyarah

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Article: Mosul offensive (2016) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Iraqi Armed Forces capture Qayyarah from Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Iraqi Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi declares Iraqi Armed Forces have captured Qayyarah from Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant
News source(s): Al Jazeera, Andalou Agency
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Article updated

Nominator's comments: An important town that is centre of a region containing large amounts of oil. In addition, its capture is strategically important as it cuts off routes between ISIL-controlled Nineveh Governorate and ISIL-controlled Kirkuk Governorate. Newsboy39 (talk) 19:02, 25 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • For starters, we should have kept the ISIL conflict in Iraq posted in ongoing. Apart from that, if this can be confirmed, support as a significant occurrence in the war.--WaltCip (talk) 20:16, 25 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Do you have an appropriately updated article I can post in ongoing for you?--Jayron32 23:51, 25 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Jayron32 Were you asking me? Newsboy39 (talk) 00:12, 26 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Nope.--Jayron32 02:15, 26 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: HaEr48 The oil fields of Qayyarah produces 8,000 barrels of oil per day according to Oil production and smuggling in ISIL and the region contains over 800 million barrels of oil reserves according to Qayyarah subdistrict. Newsboy39 (talk) 09:45, 26 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

[Closed] Iraqi Defence Minister impeached

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Closed as nomination withdrawn with no supporting !votes. -Ad Orientem (talk) 18:58, 26 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Khaled al-Obaidi (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Defence Minister of Iraq Khaled al-Obaidi is impeached in a no-confidence vote (Post)
News source(s): Haaretz, Stratfor
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Article updated
Nominator's comments: The post of Defence Minister is an important one and Khaled al-Obaidi is the first defence minister to be impeached since fall of Saddam's government. His impeachment assumed even more signifance as Iraqi forces are preparing to assault Mosul in order to take it back from Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant. Newsboy39 (talk) 11:32, 26 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. We don't often post articles about government officials below the head-of-state level, and I don't see this case as being significant enough to warrant an exception. Also, the article leaves a lot to be desired. At present, it does not explain what he has done as Defense Minister or what led him to be sacked. Dragons flight (talk) 12:23, 26 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Pretty much per Dragons flight. Article is a stub and would need expanding. The article update on this story literally is "became minister in 2014 and 22 months later was voted out". Firstly, what did he [not] do during that time that made him significant? I'm guessing that shouldn't be in short supply given the amount of violence currently occurring in Iraq. Secondly, what led up to his removal? There's a brief mention of corruption, but there's no context to it. Fuebaey (talk) 16:59, 26 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Withdrawal of submission by author: I agree with some of the objections raised by others. I'll try to improve the artice though I'm not sure if I will be able to. Therefore I think it is better to withdraw this. I request the administrators to please close this request. Newsboy39 (talk) 18:53, 26 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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August 24

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  • A police officer from Bethel, Alaska, will be sentenced to prison for charges related to police brutality in a 2014 case involving an intoxicated man. The charges followed an investigation by the Federal Bureau of Investigation's civil rights division. The former officer, Andrew Reid, was found to have used excessive force and lying on official police reports. The victim suffered a separated shoulder and other injuries. (Alaska Dispatch News)

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[Closed] RD: Michel Butor

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Article: Michel Butor (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Le Monde
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Notable novelist, poet and critic during the rise of Structuralism and the nouveau roman. Article is of considerable length. Bagoto (talk) 22:35, 24 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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[Posted] Proxima Centauri b

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Article: Proxima Centauri b (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The exoplanet Proxima Centauri b is discovered in the habitable zone around Proxima Centauri, the star closest to the Sun. (Post)
News source(s): Nature BBC The Economist NY Times
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Nominator's comments: Astronomical discovery of historical significance.  Sandstein  17:57, 24 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose The article suffers from some referencing problems, which is a quality issue. Would need to remove those cn issues. A high proportion of factual information, which should be referencable, lacks cites. Fix that and I'd support. --Jayron32 18:01, 24 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Jayron32: It looks like the sourcing has now been substantially improved. Also currently on the front page of most mainstream media websites.  Sandstein  20:16, 24 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Change to Support per recent growth and improvements in citations. --Jayron32 23:35, 24 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support This is a prominent discovery, since the planet orbits not only the nearest star to the solar system, but has properties similar to Earth, and orbits within the habitable zone. The quality of the article is sufficient now. Facts are sourced either in the prose or in the infobox, usually not both. Gap9551 (talk) 20:31, 24 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Now. I don't know if this is bigger than Sputnik, but it's probably the biggest news you've had a chance to feature. And the editors have even put in the work to build the article already! That's a bonus, not a requirement, when it's something like this. Knock off something from your lugubrious litany of pointless deaths and put this up now. Wnt (talk) 20:52, 24 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support: The nature of the discovery is very important (and probably historic). The article contains sufficient info about the topic and well sourced. HaEr48 (talk) 21:01, 24 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support: This is a major discovery. I think the article is sufficiently developed and will continue to improve. -Darouet (talk) 21:57, 24 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support: This is like the mythical cure for cancer alluded to in the guidelines, and should be posted now regardless of article quality. Banedon (talk) 23:33, 24 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    I could write some bullshit in an article about a cure for cancer; if it isn't properly cited, how do you know the information is trustworthy? Should we post hoaxes merely because they are interesting hoaxes? --Jayron32 23:36, 24 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    Because I've seen the non-Wikipedia RS. Unless you are alleging a multiple-RS conspiracy to fool Wikipedia, the basic idea that there is a planet around our closest star is trustworthy. If you think the "cure for cancer" line should not be in the guidelines, feel free to remove it. Banedon (talk) 23:45, 24 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    Good for you. How does it serve the readers if you've seen the sources, and refuse to add them to the article? --Jayron32 01:29, 25 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    And how does it serve our readers that you spend time trashtalking me instead of improving the article yourself? Sheesh. Banedon (talk) 01:32, 25 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    You said you had access to sources and stated you wanted others to post this article though you didn't want to put them in the article. I have no particular interest one way or the other. You care, and you have the ability to fix the problem. That's why you should fix it. --Jayron32 08:32, 25 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    I am not particularly interested in talking to you about this topic anymore. As of time of writing, I have 9 edits to that article. You have zero. The end. Banedon (talk) 08:39, 25 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    The discovery of the planet itself was properly sourced from the start, but some factual details were not, and some were later shown to be incorrect and fixed. Gap9551 (talk) 23:49, 24 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    (e/c) You are totally right, and your initial oppose was fully appropriate. We should never showcase insufficiently sourced articles. If the topic is very important, it will attract editors, and the article quality will improve soon enough anyway. Gap9551 (talk) 23:47, 24 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted. I haven't used the image as it is only an artists' impression; but if someone else thinks the existing image should be replaced with this one feel free to do it. Black Kite (talk) 23:44, 24 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • I applaud the restraint of our editors in not giving into the sensationalism that the media usually suffers from with regards to space news. It's enough to say that this planet is in the "habitable zone" and not use buzzterms like "earth-like" or "might sustain intelligent life".--WaltCip (talk) 12:05, 25 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

[Closed] RD: Walter Scheel

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Article: Walter Scheel (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Die Zeit, Spiegel online
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Former president (head of state) and former foreign minister of (West) Germany. Sca (talk) 15:47, 24 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Article quality (mostly referencing) is substandard. Needs a lot more references to be sufficient. Some expansion wouldn't hurt either. I would expect a head-of-state of a major world power to have more than a screen's worth of text about their life story. I wouldn't hold it up over the length, however, if the referencing were better. --Jayron32 16:22, 24 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Tagged it. Touching on what Jayron32 said - although the president is mainly ceremonial, I'd expect a brief paragraph on his 5-year role. As is, it looks as if the office was a footnote in his political career. Surely there are sources on the politicking after Brandt's resignation and Scheel being manoeuvred into office; the FDP alone wouldn't have had the numbers to get him there. Were there any significant events during his presidency? Fuebaey (talk) 16:55, 24 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Per RFC, we needn't argue notability. However, my impression is, Scheel as foreign minister was a figure of medium importance in the Ostpolitik of Brandt & Co. (He was succeeded by Genscher, a figure of major importance.) Sca (talk) 00:14, 25 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, I was trying to give a scope for expansion. It is still unlikely to be posted with referencing unaddressed. Fuebaey (talk) 02:00, 25 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
In any case, his notability seems associated with the post of foreign minister, not with that of president, which in Ger. is essentially ceremonial. Sca (talk) 02:03, 25 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
It's not particularly relevant, but I was surprised to learn that Scheel was also a singer ... of sorts. (Not my sort!) Sca (talk) 20:11, 25 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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[Posted] Earthquake in central Italy

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Article: 2016 Central Italy earthquake (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ At least 37 people are killed as an earthquake of magnitude 6.2 strikes central Italy. (Post)
News source(s): CNN
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Nominator's comments: unfolding event; suggest adding blurb later as story develops MurielMary (talk) 09:16, 24 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

[Posted] Fall of Jarabulus

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Article: Jarabulus offensive (2016) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Turkish-backed Syrian opposition captures Jarabulus from Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Turkish forces enters Northern Syria, as Turkish-backed opposition forces capture the border town Jarabulus from ISIL.
News source(s): CNN, Voice of America, NY Times, Business Insider, BBC, Times of Israel, Associated Press, Al Jazeera (2, 3), Daily Sabah
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: The town was important as it was the only border crossing left under ISIL control from where they smuggled fighters and equipment. Newsboy39 (talk) 19:39, 25 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

August 23

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  • Philippine officials believe they may have recovered biggest natural giant clam pearl in the world — weighing 34kg. Officials are awaiting confirmation from gemologists that the find is indeed the world's largest pearl. If confirmed, it will beat the current record holder, the Pearl of Lao Tzu, which weighs 6.4kg. (BBC)

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RD: Morihiko Hiramatsu

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Article: Morihiko Hiramatsu (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Japan Times
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: He died on 21 August but death was announced on 23 August. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 05:08, 25 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose - very brief, not well organised (the information about other country's programmes isn't together with his project in Japan which they are supposedly modelled on), some unclear statements (what is the relevance of the statement about the Asia Pacific University??) And why did he get an award for being a friend of China - there's nothing in the article to suggest he did anything with China? MurielMary (talk) 09:44, 25 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved them now. Please check. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 10:22, 25 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

[Closed] Sea Shepherd

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Articles: Sea Shepherd Conservation Society (talk · history · tag) and Whaling in Japan (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Anti-whaling group Sea Shepherd reaches agreement with the Institute of Cetacean Research to no longer disrupt Japan's annual whale hunts. (Post)
News source(s): BBC, Bloomberg, Kyodo via Nikkei Asia Review
 219.108.134.12 (talk) 06:55, 24 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose because BBC story states that this settlement is only with Sea Shepherd's US organization; their Australian organization, which primarily is the one who fights the whalers, has said this does not affect them and that they will continue. 331dot (talk) 10:27, 24 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose seems pretty minor. 331dot raises a good point. Aside from that, Sea Shepherd is only one private institution contesting the whaling activities. The whaling in Japan article also deals with broad swathes of issues not related to this case, and so it is at most only tangentially related. In fact as of time of writing I can't find mention of this case anywhere. Banedon (talk) 05:31, 25 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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[Posted] RD: Esther Jungreis

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Article: Esther Jungreis (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Jewish Week
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Brief but well sourced article on a Jewish speaker/writer. MurielMary (talk) 01:21, 24 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Steven Hill

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Article: Steven Hill (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NY Times
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Well known actor for roles in Mission Impossible and as DA Adam Schiff in Law and Order. Article appears to be in generally good shape though a couple of paragraphs need sources. I will work on that directly. -Ad Orientem (talk) 17:43, 23 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

August 22

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[Posted] RD: S. R. Nathan

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Article: S. R. Nathan (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [10], [11], [12]
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Longest serving President of Singapore (1999 to 2011) starship.paint ~ KO 14:32, 22 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Went over it earlier, seems okay now. Fuebaey (talk) 20:52, 23 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
There are still whole unreferenced paragraphs. Espresso Addict (talk) 03:23, 23 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

[Removed] 2016 Turkish purges

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Article: 2016 Turkish purges (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item removal (Post)

Nominator's comments: This event has been linked on ongoing since 26 July, and six days prior to that as a blurb after an unsuccessful coup attempt on 15 July. The last significant thing I read from this was an arrest warrant for footballer/soccer player Hakan Şükür ten days ago and the most recent addition to the article was a UN reaction a few days ago. Not enough in my opinion to sustain this event on ongoing. Fuebaey (talk) 14:15, 22 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Actually is not uquiet with the new war on PKK and continued purges p[13]Lihaas (talk) 16:32, 24 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
That may be true, but the requirement to be posted on Ongoing is frequent updates to the article (generally often enough as to outpace postings on ITN). The fact that the article history shows no major updates in well over a week, excepting a few incidental "politician makes statement" type updates, is why this was removed. If you'd like to see it remain in "ongoing" you'd need to keep updating the article with substantive information over several days, and demonstrate that it is continuously changing and the article is continuously updated. --Jayron32 18:27, 24 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

[Posted] RD: Toots Thielemans

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Article: Toots Thielemans (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [14], [15], [16]
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Globally known harmonica player, played with all the greats. 131.251.254.154 (talk) 10:21, 22 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose several whole paragraphs completely unreferenced. MurielMary (talk) 10:31, 22 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. Few references - most of the article is a bullet list - it feels very lacking in substance. Everything in order now. Kudos to the anon that cleaned it up - great work! Challenger l (talk) 03:36, 25 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak support Strong Support – the article is improving, now having references throughout and a new section. Looks more substantial now. The person in question also seems highly notable, though I may be biased as I'm currently living in the Netherlands. I don't know how much international interest this person has. ~Mable (chat) 20:21, 23 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Quite a bit in the jazz arena, ie. "Toots Thielemans - Live At The Hague Jazz Festival (2010)" --Light show (talk) 21:46, 23 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Article definitely meets standards now. ~Mable (chat) 22:32, 23 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I added many to the Discography section. The Side man section has links going to their own articles, most of which seem to have his name included. --Light show (talk) 08:29, 24 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

August 21

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[Posted] Remove: Summer Olympics

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Article: Chronological summary of the 2016 Summer Olympics (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item removal (Post)

Nominator's comments: Now that the games are officially over after the closing ceremony suggest removing from Ongoing. The tenses in the main article seem to be updated accordingly. Brandmeistertalk 08:54, 22 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

[Posted to RD] RD:Donald Henderson

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Article: Donald Henderson (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/obituaries/bs-md-ob-da-henderson-20160820-story.html
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Responsible for the smallpox eradication campaign, the first and to date only successful eradication of an infectious disease. Smallpox killed up to half a billion people in the 20th Century alone, before its eradication in the 1970s. Guy (Help!) 21:57, 21 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

[Closed] RD: Brian Rix

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Article: Brian Rix (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Prominent actor, writer and disability rights campaigner in the UK. yorkshiresky (talk) 09:44, 21 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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August 20

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  • 2016 Citronelle homicides
    • Six people, including an unborn baby, were killed in Citronelle, Alabama. A 27-year-old man was arrested as a suspect in the case. (CNN)
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  • Derrick Dearman a 27-year-old Mississippi man kills five people in the U.S. town of Citronelle, Alabama then kidnaps his pregnant ex-girlfriend from among the victims. Nearby, the Greene County, Mississippi Sheriff's office takes the surrender and confession of the suspect. (Reuters)

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[Posted] August 2016 Gaziantep bombing

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Article: August 2016 Gaziantep bombing (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ At least 50 people are killed when a wedding is attacked by a suicide bomber in Gaziantep, southern Turkey. (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Article updated

 The Rambling Man (talk) 07:25, 21 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

All reaction are from 2-3 sources. Those have been fixed. --yousaf465 14:33, 21 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

[Closed] RD: Lilia Cuntapay

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Article: Lilia Cuntapay (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Entertainment Inquirer
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Article seems fully referenced. MurielMary (talk) 10:16, 20 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak support - after I checked all the references and fixed one that had link rot. I support because most of the article (but not all of the article) can be verified from these references. So therefore the article is on its way to reaching minimal quality standard. My support is "weak" for two reasons: (1) because some of the citations utilize sources that are in tagalog or some other Filipino dialect that I'm unfamiliar with (that's why I say "most"--but not all--of the statements in this article can be verified). For example, can it be verified that Cuntapay was in that first batch of actor workshops with those two other actors mentioned? One can't be sure, as the reference would have to be in somewhere in an interview conducted in, presumably, "tagalog". The other reason my support is tentative is because (2) I need to finish cleaning up some of the grammar and flow. Obviously the article has been edited by folks whose formal education was not in so-called "standardized" English, ie.., BBC or some other form of "acceptable" grammar approved by Wikipedia. Meanwhile let me see if there is some kind of translate engine on the web. Christian Roess (talk) 11:38, 20 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • support - definitely for ITN.BabbaQ (talk) 11:40, 20 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@BabbaQ: Are you claiming that the article quality is acceptable? Given the new RD criteria that's the only thing being discussed here; every RD nomination is technically "for ITN" now, if the quality is fine. We no longer debate the merits for RD nominations. 331dot (talk) 22:22, 20 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Some people don't understand how RD works. This is good example. The Rambling Man (talk) 22:29, 20 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@The Rambling Man: There's no need to assume bad faith here. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 02:22, 21 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I could give you a dozen examples from the past couple of months where this user supports an article which is clearly not ready for the main page. It's not bad faith, it's experience and knowledge. The Rambling Man (talk) 06:20, 21 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose several unreferenced sentences, BLP applies. Weak article overall. The Rambling Man (talk) 22:29, 20 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment before this nomination goes stale. I believe this article is now of minimum quality standard b/c concerns I addressed above, along with the other two editors' concerns, have been fixed. So I marked it "Ready." Most of the references are from Filipino (English language) news sources. However, a few of the latter do contain sentences in tagalog, specifically when quoting Cuntapay directly in interviews. Keep in mind that I found only one "western" mainstream media (MM) source on Cuntapay and that's here: Yahoo!. Yesterday, I spent a good 30 minutes on the web looking for more MM sources in English, even using various MM outlet's own internal web searches. Nothing. So everything that is known about Cuntapay's life and work (so far) is cited on her Wikipedia page. Her article at the Tagalog Wikipedia site (here: Lilia Cuntapay) is a stub, and of no real help. One point of contention during recent edits has been her date of birth, that's why those two citation follow her birth day & year in the lead section, and this seems to be ok according to MOS:LEADCITE. So although The Rambling Man is of course correct that it is a weak article overall (and still is), ironically her Wikipedia page is now (in my opinion) the best single resource (one-stop-shop) available on the web for anyone looking for information, particularly in English, on the life and work of Cuntapay. And there's not a whole lot, and what's there just repeats the same basic information. Christian Roess (talk) 17:40, 23 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Unfortunately her entire body of work is unreferenced, and clicking though a few she is not mentioned in many (although some unreferenced TV guest appearances are listed). Our systemic western bias, and lack of local coverage is hurting this one. Stephen 23:36, 23 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • yeah, well that's too bad really. As you say, systemic bias is in play. But as I pointed out in my comments (above) regarding exposure in western media, even using the word "lack", is an understatement. There's not only a lack of "local" coverage...how about none, like nothing, no coverage in western media sources at all to speak of: the single Yahoo! reference is a squib, barely mentioning her death.
To touch on the issue at hand regarding the un-referenced body of work:
  1. Cuntapay's wiki-page lists 64 credits in films and TV combined. Meanwhile, The Internet Movie Data Base (imdb) lists 57 credits. So I will go through this list and determine what's viable. I made an appeal to the (still active) user who created this chart of Cuntapay's filmography back in 2009, to see what that editor's sources were and if I could get some help. Also, I'm not sure if imdb is considered a reliable source on Wikipedia?
  2. the other option is to remove the entire filmography, and just list a few of her roles. But that's not an option, and is a disservice to any readers who will utilize this page in the future, and a disservice to the editors and users who assembled this filmography chart.
  3. It would seem that without assistance, I will not get this done in time to post to RD, but it's on my To Do list. (Alas, like for most of you, this is not my full time job). Once again, like for my (heavy) recent editing of the Yves Bonnefoy and Thomas Steinbeck nominations, this ain't happening either folks. The new RD criteria is an outstanding success, but a little more life blood, and some more of that eclectic mix could've been injected here. As I said above, it seems pretty clear that this page is the best single resource (in English) on Lilia Cuntapay on the Web. That fact would've been something to highlight, too. And could've been if this RD was posted. Damn shame really - Christian Roess (talk) 00:51, 24 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • IMDb is generally not considered a reliable source, as it partly works as a wiki with limited editorial oversight. Getting hold of the original editor(s) seems the best move, as they might well have used reputable book sources which are not available online. The way the new RD criteria are panning out is quite odd, imo -- there's an increase in nominations to assess/work on, and also a much faster turnover on the main page, giving less time to address problems. It's also been my perception that the less obvious RDs are being nominated much more slowly, possibly because they are much less prominent in news sources. Espresso Addict (talk) 06:43, 24 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • I don't think it's that odd, if people want to nominate a less obvious RD (of which we have now substantially more than we did a few months ago), they should be prepared to work on them as, of course, they'll be niche and will need people interested in updating the article and with the subject knowledge. Foreign language sources are perfectly permissible; if RDs are failing because people aren't prominent enough for the news when they die, perhaps their articles need to be considered for deletion. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:33, 24 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • I did look at this but I honestly don't think it'll be ready before it goes stale. If I had time to overhaul: delete the filmography section (a. as mostly unsourced and b. being primarily an extra, listing 50+ minor roles is overkill - we're not IMDB) and merge significant roles into the body. Subsection her career into decades (1980-2010s), then source individual statements from there.
Just because one person cannot find sources doesn't necessarily mean there are no sources. Enlist someone familiar with the language like at Wikipedia talk:Tambayan Philippines, which looks somewhat active. Wikipedia:WikiProject Women is also pretty active and someone there might be interested in helping out. Fuebaey (talk) 22:00, 24 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
yeah, quite perspicacious of you @Fuebaey: suggesting those groups! it hadn't crossed my mind. Christian Roess (talk) 18:01, 25 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Stay tuned - thanks for all the input and great suggestions and insights. I say "Stay tuned" because the user who created this page back in 2009 did respond to my inquiry and has substantially updated the filmography with citations. May get this done sooner then expected, and hopefully before the nomination goes state. It shows me that when it comes to ITN, it's crucial to reach out to the vital resource which is the Wikipedia community. There's a lot of help out there. Christian Roess (talk) 17:51, 25 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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[Closed] RD: Ignacio Padilla

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Stale. Fuebaey (talk) 16:14, 26 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Ignacio Padilla (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Milenio.com
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Article on a multi-awarded Mexican writer of considerable length and well sourced. User:Bagoto (talk) 08:35, 24 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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[Closed] RD: Lou Pearlman

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Stale. Fuebaey (talk) 16:12, 26 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Lou Pearlman (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): http://edition.cnn.com/2016/08/21/entertainment/backstreet-boys-nsync-lou-pearlman-dies/index.html CNN
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Manager of Backstreet Boy and *Nsync, convicted white-collar criminal who died behind bars. The article is full of sufficient references to detail a controversial character. Valentina Cardoso (talk) 18:14, 21 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Article appears to be well sourced and of sufficient quality. Palmtree5551 (talk) 18:28, 21 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Too many unsourced statements for a contentious BLP. Stephen 03:28, 22 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • I don't feel comfortable posting something that recently had "molestation allegations" (section 5) added - sourced to two entertainment magazines. It reads like a tabloid story. No reputable obit mentions it, even when they discuss his boy band management career and convictions. The second section could also do with a more NPOV title. Fuebaey (talk) 17:00, 23 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose until we have a consensus over the molestation section. It's sourced to Vanity Fair (who make accusations) and The Hollywood Reporter. Are these really reliable in this context? Plus some quotes from an oh-so-reliable Howard Stern interview. This section needs proper RS sourcing or excising before we can consider posting it. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:23, 23 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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[Closed] Duterte threatens to pull out of UN

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Pretty much a WP:SNOW close. MikeLynch (talk) 21:32, 21 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Rodrigo Duterte (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Following criticism from United Nations human rights experts of increased extrajudicial killings of suspected drug dealers since his election victory, President Rodrigo Duterte threatens to take the Philippines out of the UN. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Following United Nations criticism of a spate of 900 extrajudicial killings of suspected drug dealers, President Rodrigo Duterte threatens to take the Philippines out of the UN.
News source(s): Reuters
Credits:
Nominator's comments: About 900 extrajudicial killings since May presidential election. zzz (talk) 10:54, 21 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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[Posted] RD: Jack Riley

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Article: Jack Riley (actor) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Fox News, New York Daily News, Los Angeles Times
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Known for voicing Stu Pickles on Rugrats and for playing Elliot Carlin on The Bob Newhart Show. Andise1 (talk) 04:51, 20 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the "ping"; yes happy to support now, much improved. MurielMary (talk) 20:12, 22 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

[Closed] Zika spreads from American to American for the first time

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No consensus to post. MikeLynch (talk) 07:38, 20 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Articles: 2015–16 Zika virus epidemic (talk · history · tag) and Zika fever (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Zika virus starts being transmitted in the US by local mosquitos. (Post)
News source(s): BBC NBC
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Nominator's comments: Pros: Not maybe like the other nom. Cons: Only the US. Though I nominate, no idea if it's notable enough and don't care much either way, just testing the waters of Zika ITN-worthiness. This might be the beachhead of a huge infection of much of America à la killer bees or cane toads and other invasive species, or maybe it can be stopped. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 22:12, 19 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Can't prove that failed till someone who didn't travel abroad gets symptoms (I think) Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 23:17, 19 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. I don't see why the US should be treated as a specially important case when so many countries are affected. Also, as I recall, the first local transmission in the US happened several weeks ago. Espresso Addict (talk) 22:21, 19 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Florida is the first territory of a developed country that's not like a tropical colony (i.e. Puerto Rico, French Guiana, Virgin Islands, American Samoa) to get it. Mosquito-borne diseases aren't surprising there, there's even a field of medicine called tropical medicine.
This might be where Zika becomes a non-tropical first world problem (then they might start trying hard to stop it, typical humans). Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 23:10, 19 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
NBC acts like US mosquitos giving Zika to Americans who haven't traveled is new. Maybe that's been going on for weeks? I'm not sure on the timeline. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 22:31, 19 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
It's been going on since end of July. See for example, [17]. Espresso Addict (talk) 22:41, 19 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, that? I knew about that. Maybe the few weeks is explained by the virus' symptomless period. Logically you can't prove you didn't stop the contagiousness till 1 infection generation time from US patient zero in July. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 22:59, 19 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. Uncomfortable with the idea of just posting "It's spreading". If we had something stronger to hang our hat on, such as large numbers of people being infected, large numbers of newborns affected, maybe(emphasis on maybe), but not as currently worded. I'd also prefer that the nominator of a subject/article at least be semi-interested or supportive of its notability. 331dot (talk) 22:22, 19 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I'm supportive of its notability but I'm American so I might be biased. Buy if the rest of the world wants to wait till it gets worse (if it does) I'm not going to push hard or be unhappy. That's what I meant. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 23:32, 19 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I suspect if this gets worst (reports of infection and transmission into other states particularly those not bordering FL) that this story would become an Ongoing from the start. Right now, while there are serious concerns, it does appear reasonable contained to a limited geographic area. --MASEM (t) 23:36, 19 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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[Closed] Gawker.com shuts down

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No consensus. The Rambling Man (talk) 22:18, 19 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Bollea v. Gawker (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Gawker announces it is shutting down, following their parent company's sale to Univision in the aftermath of declaring bankruptcy after losing their lawsuit to Hulk Hogan. (Post)
News source(s): New York Times CBS News
Credits:
Nominator's comments: Following Gawker Media's sale to Univision, after losing their lawsuit to Hulk Hogan, the company's flagship site, Gawker.com, announced it was shutting down.--The lorax (talk) 11:25, 19 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Does that picture add anything at all? If there should be a picture linked to this whole issue, Hulk Hogan is at least instantly recognisable. Only in death does duty end (talk) 11:18, 19 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Good call.--The lorax (talk) 11:25, 19 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Damn, I was hoping for one of him doing his trademarked shirt-ripping routine, possibly with 'gawker' photoshopped onto it. ;) Only in death does duty end (talk) 11:38, 19 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
For reference also on BBC too. Only in death does duty end (talk) 11:40, 19 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed.--The lorax (talk) 13:41, 19 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I guess you need a blurb now. The Rambling Man (talk) 13:47, 19 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong oppose If there was an ITN point on this cycle it would have been the decision of the case, and even then, that's barely ITN-worthy given the scope of what is affected. --MASEM (t) 13:58, 19 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Respectfully Oppose To the extent that Gawker might have merited mention on ITN it was for the lawsuit, which at least in the United States was extremely important due to its implications in privacy law. That however is obviously stale. This is just a blurb about a minor business shutting down and does not merit attention on ITN. -Ad Orientem (talk) 19:11, 19 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose It's a business shutting down and it doesn't seem to be significant enough for posting Palmtree5551 (talk) 19:33, 19 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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[Moved to ongoing] 2016 Louisiana floods to ongoing

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Article: 2016 Louisiana floods (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
Credits:

Nominator's comments: This has just dropped off the bottom of the ITN template, but the article indicates it is still ongoing. The current tag was removed about 12 hours ago, so I didn't add it to ongoing when updating the template, but as there is still plenty of updates happening and the event still seems to be ongoing so I thought I'd canvas opinions of others. I'm happy either way. Thryduulf (talk) 10:08, 19 August 2016 (UTC) Thryduulf (talk) 10:08, 19 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Posted I went and moved it to ongoing; it's clearly still in the news, there are still developments, and new substantive information is being added every few hours. Ticks all the boxes for me. --Jayron32 11:49, 19 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I assumed the reason these things get posted here was to debate their merits? Maybe I was wrong, given that you've just gone ahead and posted before anybody has said anything about it? 131.251.254.154 (talk) 14:01, 19 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
WP:BOLD. WP:BURO. If you have a substantive reason this should be removed from ongoing, please let us know. I, or another admin, can always remove it. What is your substantive objection to the content of the article or the presence in news sources why this should not be on the main page? --Jayron32 14:11, 19 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not particularly bothered about having it on Ongoing or not. Probably edging towards not. Just pointing out posted (very) prematurely, before any discussion took place. 131.251.254.154 (talk) 14:34, 19 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Just to be clear, I had moved this to ongoing before adding my comment here. I was not, at the time, aware of the discussion, and typically since the article had already been approved for main page inclusion, admins will usually just add it themselves to Ongoing. Discussion is only needed if the article had not yet been approved for main page use, OR to raise awareness to admins who may not be aware that it is appropriate to ongoing. I wasn't weighing in with an opinion, I was notifying the people reading this thread that the issue had already been resolved; probably almost simultaneously with the thread getting started. --Jayron32 16:15, 19 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support ongoing as it is (1) still in the news, (2) still being actively revised, and (3) older than 7 days. What Ongoing: is for. Also, IP 131.*, it is pretty common for admins to move things to ongoing in this situation, and then use a thread here at ITN/C to decide when it's time to take it off. --Floquenbeam (talk) 14:37, 19 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support ongoing I think the IP may have missed the point that the floods were posted as a blurb following a lengthy discussion and that it is perfectly acceptable for an admin to move an event which is still ongoing to the Ongoing section once its blurb drops off ITN. No problem here. The Rambling Man (talk)|
Seems odd to post it here as a proposal then, but consider my objections retracted. 131.251.254.154 (talk) 15:32, 19 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Think it was posted here for ongoing because it dropped from blurbs but is still an ongoing event (not to restate nom too much) Palmtree5551 (talk) 15:55, 19 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Twitter announces 235,000 terror-linked accounts have been suspended over the past six months amid increasing pressure on tech companies from the White House to censor extremists from groups like ISIS. (CBS News)

[Posted] RD: Machali (tigress)

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Article: Machali (tigress) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Telegraph The Guardian
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Any objections to listing an animal on RD? The article quality seems to pass the criteria - fully referenced and organised. MurielMary (talk) 11:25, 20 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • I think the last time an animal was nominated was back during the RD trial. Maybe a horse and it might've been a stub. Prior to that commentators used to argue that animals could not fall under the old RD criteria (significant to their field/high ranked at time of death/etc). Since that no longer applies, and that this is a seemingly okay article, I see no reason to oppose. For what it is worth, news reports also state that the animal was iconic in India. Fuebaey (talk) 14:53, 20 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • (edit conflict) Comment when a horse was nominated during the trial period for the current criteria it was closed by Floquenbeam with the comment "We aren't going to put a horse in RD. And please don't ask me what specific policy says "no horses in RD", because it will cause me to beat my head against a brick wall for several minutes." Before the close the nomination had three comments, two opposes commenting on the state of the article and one oppose starting "Wasn't there a decision some time ago that RD is limited to humans?". I haven't looked for that decision. Thryduulf (talk) 15:00, 20 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support – it's a bit of a complex question whether animals should fall under RD, though I don't see why they shouldn't per se. This tigress' article is of decent quality and her notably is without question. It's a notable death. ~Mable (chat) 17:13, 20 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment As an article, it's of a good enough standard to meet the Recent Deaths criteria for inclusion. However, I'm unconvinced that animals should be eligible for RD, as most of the criteria on Wikipedia:Recent Deaths refers to people, the implication of which is that only people should be listed on RD. Joseph2302 23:16, 20 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. As I understand it, the last few times an animal was nominated for RD consensus seemed to indicate that animals were not eligible. I would submit that this should be a regular nomination. 331dot (talk) 23:23, 20 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support why artificially limit ourselves? Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 02:26, 21 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment has there ever been an instance in which a non-person's death was posted to RD? Palmtree5551 (talk) 02:34, 21 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Asking for admin input on this nom as it's 3 days since the death now and at risk of getting stale. TIA. MurielMary (talk) 10:14, 21 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    • I don't see a consensus at the moment, but I don't think consensus is impossible so I'm not going to close the discussion. I have started a section on the talk page to determine what the consensus is for the general case, and I suggest that this discussion proceed on the basis that there is no general consensus either way about whether animals are eligible or not. Thryduulf (talk) 10:59, 21 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. I don't see a good reason not to include a (notable) tiger or any other (notable) animal at RD. --Hegvald (talk) 13:15, 21 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: The "Phylogeny" section fails verification. Two references in the article 2 and 6 currently give info about her cubs but none add to 11. All references which mention that she had given birth to 11 cubs are current ones which probably are taking info from Wikipedia itself. Btw, I have no objection on posting any animal on RD. Am sure if it was not speculated well in advance and had it been a complete surprise we would have ran a blurb on Voldemort's death also; only debating whether he should be named or not. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 04:00, 22 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted consensus here and even more strongly on the talk page discussion is for posting notable animal deaths. Stephen 23:15, 22 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

[Closed] First US offshore wind farm completed

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Doesn't look like it's happening. Banedon (talk) 09:41, 19 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Block Island Wind Farm (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Deepwater Wind CEO Jeffrey Grybowski announces completion of the first offshore wind farm in the U.S. (Post)
News source(s): Twitter ASSOCIATED PRESS
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Nominator's comments: Big news in the US, not so much in Europe where many offshore wind farms already exist.
Hey, I know of Block Island. Are there any other offshore wind farms between Panama and Greenland? If not the blurb can say first in North America without qualification. Are there any others in the Western Hemisphere? Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 02:30, 19 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah I'm pretty sure (~96%) this is the first offshore wind farm in North America or South America. China and Europe have tons of offshore wind farms. Brian Everlasting (talk) 02:36, 19 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Not in this hemisphere they aren't. (👍 Europe) Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 03:22, 19 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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[Closed] Asymptomatic Zika infection in adults may cause dementia down the line

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Let it snow, let it snow, let it WP:SNOW. --Jayron32 03:24, 19 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Zika (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Asymptomatic Zika infection in adults may cause dementia down the line (Post)
News source(s): WaPo
Credits:

Article needs updating
Nominator's comments: I've canceled by trip to Miami. Count Iblis (talk) 20:58, 18 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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[Closed] Ending private prisons

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Pick up your money and pack up your tent, this ain't going nowhere. Closing per WP:SNOW. --Jayron32 03:23, 19 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: private prison (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The United States Department of Justice recommends phasing out private prisons. (Post)
News source(s): Business Insider
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Nominator's comments: Significant development in the US for private prisons.
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[Closed] RD: Ernst Nolte

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Stale. Stephen 10:50, 24 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Ernst Nolte (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Frankfurter Allgemeine Feuilleton
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Article on an important German historian and philosopher of ample length and well sourced. User:Bagoto (talk) 08:25, 24 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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[Closed] RD: Jim Bennett

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Stale. Stephen 23:30, 23 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: James R. Bennett (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Al.com, The Anniston Star, San Francisco Chronicle
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: American politician. Secretary of State of Alabama (1993-2003 and 2013-2015). Fuebaey (talk) 19:45, 22 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. The article gives little feel for what the subject contributed, other than holding a series of positions. The references mainly seem to be to local newspapers, local/university websites and the like. There is also a potential problem with staleness. Espresso Addict (talk) 02:16, 23 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
That's fine. I don't think there's an issue with the references, unless you consider them to be unreliable? While I can agree that it could do with some expansion, I'm not familiar with his work and I don't think I'll have enough time to research this. Fuebaey (talk) 14:10, 23 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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[Posted] Hybrid Air Vehicles HAV 304 Airlander 10

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Article: Hybrid Air Vehicles HAV 304 Airlander 10 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Airlander 10 hybrid airship, the longest modern aircraft in the world, makes its maiden flight. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The Airlander 10 hybrid airship, currently the longest aircraft in the world, makes its maiden civil flight.
Alternative blurb II: ​ The Airlander 10 hybrid airship makes its maiden civil flight.
Alternative blurb III: ​ The Airlander 10 hybrid airship, which is 92 metres (302 ft) long, makes its maiden civil flight.
News source(s): BBC News Online
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Article updated

Nominator's comments: Long-awaited maiden flight of largest aircraft in world by length. Nominated by User:Mjroots but not logged in. 2A02:C7D:CB4:6500:3521:722C:B1C9:E58D (talk) 08:01, 18 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

It must mean the longest (possibly most voluminous) heavier-than-air craft, maybe barely heavier (it will sink without the propellers running). I believe modern blimps and possibly Zeppelins are run heavier after takeoff or always - needing the propellers to point some degrees downwards to maintain altitude. Either they're all smaller than this one or "aircraft" is defined even more strictly. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 09:00, 18 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The longest airplane might still be the Spruce Goose, though it never flew high enough to prove that it could fly without ground effect boost, which might arguably make it unable to fly. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 09:05, 18 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with Nergaal, per LZ 129 Hindenburg Airlander isn't the longest aircraft ever, so added clarification to the original blurb. Brandmeistertalk 13:48, 18 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The Airlander 10 hybrid airship, the world's longest aircraft, makes its maiden civil flight in Bedfordshire, England.
Sca (talk) 14:18, 18 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Were you there at Lakehurst in 1937? Wow! Sca (talk) 00:19, 19 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The Hindenburg could lift 230 tons plus itself. This can lift 10 tons plus itself (20 more). The Hindenburg was huge by aerospace standards, almost the length of the Titanic. This is only 91 meters (less than this plane's wingspan ((which is actually it's length under geometry's "longest dimension" definition)). So being fatter cannot possibly give it enough volume to counter it's almost 3:1 disadvantage in length. For reference the Goodyear Blimps are 59 meters. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 23:10, 18 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Do you have a suggestion, The Rambling Man (talk · contribs)? Longest appears inaccurate, modern/current isn't supported, the bald fact of the maiden flight gives no sense of why it's interesting, and no concise way of defining the craft so as to exclude larger examples has been proposed. Espresso Addict (talk) 22:31, 19 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
It's a real challenge. It's been in the news, for real, and news outlets have the latitude to express subjective forms such as "largest" or "maiden" etc, without being constrained by our WP:V and so on. I guess the fact that it's been posted is enough, but that jarring clause telling me how long it is, without any context at all, is why it's contender for worst hook of the year. I'm sorry I can't come up with anything better right now. The Rambling Man (talk) 22:35, 19 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

[Posted] RD: Arthur Hiller

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Article: Arthur Hiller (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Hollywood Reporter, CBC News, Deadline
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Notable Canadian director and former president of AMPAS. Article is in good shape, IMO. Light show (talk) 19:23, 17 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

As a former graduate of QA (Quotaholics Anonymous), I can try tightening some of those, but can't work on it till later. --Light show (talk) 21:43, 17 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support articles don't have to be good or featured to appear in RD. Ed [talk] [majestic titan]`
    No, TRM didn't ask this to reach "good" or "featured" level. Just "marginally less shitty". You could, you know, fix it instead of making an underhanded dig against someone else's valid objection. --Jayron32 23:41, 17 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
It might be useful to not read into things too much. Neither of them mentioned the other in this thread and people have differing opinions. Fuebaey (talk) 15:37, 18 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
But there is a general knee-jerk objection to my demands for quality articles only to be posted to the main page. I know many users think differently and are content to post sub-par articles to the detriment of Wikipedia. I'm not one of those, and I won't ever apologise for it. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:50, 18 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

[Posted] Blue Cut Fire

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Article: Blue Cut Fire (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ 82,000 people are currently under mandatory evacuation. The fire has also destroyed the Summit Inn, a historic U.S. Route 66 roadside diner built in 1952. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ 82,000 people and 30,000+ homes are under mandatory evacuation orders from the Blue Cut Fire.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Over 82,000 residents displaced as the Blue Cut Fire burns out of control in San Bernardino, California: Over 30,000 acres (120 km2) of land has burned and at least 34,500 structures are threatened.
Alternative blurb III: ​ The Blue Cut Fire displaces over 82,000 residents, destroys over 30,000 acres (120 km2) of land and threatens at least 34,500 structures.
News source(s): AP-mobile, NBC News, The New York Times, LA Times, The Guardian, Weather Channel, Daily Mail, Fox LA, San Bernadino Sun, San Diego Union Tribune, CNN, Washington Post
Credits:
Zackmann08, please note first 'support' comment above. Sca (talk) 14:08, 18 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support – Basically favor Alt3, though suggest changes as follows:
The Blue Cut Fire in Southern California displaces more than 80,000 people, burns over 30,000 acres (47 sq. mi; 120 sq. km.) of land, and threatens an estimated 34,500 structures.
(Since the event is in the U.S., parenthetical area conversion logically should include sq. mi.) Sca (talk) 14:02, 18 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

August 16

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[Posted] RD: Mauril Bélanger

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Article: Mauril Bélanger (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBC News, The Globe and Mail, Toronto Star
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Canadian politician. MP for Ottawa-Vanier (1995-2016) and government minister (2003-2006). Fuebaey (talk) 15:42, 19 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for pointing it out. Fixed the final newspaper reference. Fuebaey (talk) 16:31, 19 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

[Posted] RD: John McLaughlin

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Article: John McLaughlin (host) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): New York Daily News
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Surprised this hasn't come here yet. Changed the style of public-affairs talk shows in the U.S.; hosted the show from 1982 up until last week. Was enough of a media personality for Dana Carvey to do a very funny (and very on) parody of him on SNL. Article could use a few more cites, but seems fixable otherwise. Daniel Case (talk) 16:37, 17 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment. @Daniel Case: Just FYI given the new criteria you no longer need to justify the merits of this person being posted, as if they merit an article, they merit posting. Only article quality needs to be assessed. 331dot (talk) 17:45, 17 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@331dot: OK, thanks ... I hadn't taken part in those discussions. A good change to make, actually. Daniel Case (talk) 16:58, 18 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Daniel Case: I don't mean to say you shouldn't explain who the person is- but you don't need to 'sell' it. :) 331dot (talk) 23:21, 18 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

[Posted] RD: Gurdial Singh

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Article: Gurdial Singh (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Hindustan Times
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 11:54, 17 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Have recalled some refs for sentences which were missing. Please feel free to add cn tags so we can fix them. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 15:39, 17 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

[Posted] QUESS / Micius (the "unhackable" satellite)

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Article: QUESS (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The China National Space Administration successfully launches QUESS, the first spacecraft capable of quantum key distribution, which allows unbreakable encryption. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ CNSA successfully launches the joint Austrian–Chinese satellite QUESS, the first spacecraft capable of quantum key distribution, which allows unbreakable encryption.
News source(s): Sydney Morning Herald, Huffington Post, New York Times
Credits:

Nominator's comments: All over the news, potentially a big step forward in quantum cryptography. As always with science news (especially related to quantum stuff) a lot of the news outlets are alarmist or just wrong (even the NYT doesn't seem to understand what the spacecraft is meant to do, exactly), but it's still a big and interesting story. Not entire sure if the WP:COMMONNAME is "QUESS" or "Micius" here. Smurrayinchester 11:00, 17 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

BBC indicates Micius is the name of the satelite, and QUESS is the name of the project. It also has a reasonably well written explanation. The final section of the lead in the QUESS article also states 'further Micius' satelites. So I guess the blurb should say Micius but link to QUESS? (As an aside, I doubt the satelite itself would be unhackable, as I cannot think of a situation where they would have the only communication with the satelite be by quantum, given its limitations) Only in death does duty end (talk) 11:44, 17 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The Austrian Academy of Sciences (one of the refs in the article) also makes the distinction between the satelite 'Micius' and the project/experiment as 'QUESS' so I think the article needs to be reworded in parts (where it refers specifically to the satelite) - Other than that I support this. Only in death does duty end (talk) 12:05, 17 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Sure, but the New York Times, Xinhua and Space.com say it's QUESS, "nicknamed Micius", Physics World says it's QUESS "also named Micius", New Scientist says it was called QUESS but was "renamed Mozi" (an alternative form of Micius). No-one seems very clear, but I'd defer to Chinese sources such as the Chinese National Space Administration - who say the satellite is called QUESS and Micius/Mozi is a nickname. Smurrayinchester 12:11, 17 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support because highly notable important issue for modern times. Brian Everlasting (talk) 17:43, 17 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support article quality is sufficient. The blurb seems a little sensationalist; I'd prefer it to end at "...quantum key distribution." But the article is sufficient for the main page, so I won't object to posting it. --Jayron32 17:54, 17 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support but the language should be simplified a bit for common readers imo. E.g. technical terms can be shortly explained in the context of the experiments even if they are also (in length) explained at the linked page. --Fixuture (talk) 20:37, 17 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support we do need a better blurb but article is sufficient quality and the subject is newsworthy and interesting. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:00, 17 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted. I expanded Quess & removed the unhackable note per Jayron32. Espresso Addict (talk) 22:36, 17 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Per Fixuture, I think the blurb needs something in lay person terms to explain why this is interesting (which is why I tacked the last clause onto the end). "Quantum key distribution" isn't going to mean much to the average reader - there needs to be some reference to the fact that this is an encryption technology. Smurrayinchester 07:35, 18 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    • I was talking about the article's content as I found the blurb proposal good enough as it was. However the blurb apparently got changed whn it was posted - so I very much agree. E.g. one should readd "which allows unbreakable encryption" at the end of it. --Fixuture (talk) 21:48, 18 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
      • As the poster, obviously I disagree. I can't pretend to understand quantum entanglement but this satellite is not going to itself "allow unbreakable encryption", afaik? I'm active for another hour or two if anyone cares to suggest a more-conservative, concise wording that might be clearer. Espresso Addict (talk) 03:13, 19 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

[Posted] Louisiana floods

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Article: 2016 Louisiana floods (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Record flooding in Louisiana, United States, prompts more than 20,000 rescues and kills at least 7 people. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Record flooding in Louisiana (US) results in thousands evacuated and displaced.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Record flooding in Louisiana, United States, kills at least eleven people and displaces thousands.
News source(s): The Weather Channel, BBC, The Washington Post, The New York Times
Credits:

Nominator's comments: I'm presently working on expanding the article, but this has been described as a "historic flood" by numerous sources and caused tremendous disruption. The sheer number of rescues is worth posting by itself in my opinion, but the flooding has also claimed lives. Multiple rivers set record crests and tens of thousands of buildings have been inundated. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 14:25, 16 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support, though perhaps we should re-phrase the blurb to say that 20,000 people have been forced to evacuate (see this article from the NewsHour) instead of "20,000 rescues?" -- Notecardforfree (talk) 05:58, 17 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support if the alternate blurb I just added is used, (or unless something similar to the alt. blurb is proposed by another editor). "Notecardforfree" is entirely correct in his evaluation because, IMO, "rescue" overstates the situation, to say the least. (Who precisely is responsible for rescuing 20,000 people, and how did they do it? None of the cited sources goes into the details).† Yes, The Washington Post (cited above) states it as "rescued", but The New York Times (again, cited above) clearly says 20,000 evacuated, and the latter term is also used in the "Newshour" article that Notecardforfree cites. So from my vantage point, it's evacuated, and not "rescued". Meanwhile, the target article has been updated and sourced, and is of sufficient quality. Christian Roess (talk) 12:24, 17 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    • comment in case it seems like I am overstating my case.† The New York Times states that, along with volunteers, "Firefighters, the National Guard and the Coast Guard, using helicopters and small flat-bottomed boats, were among those who have also joined the effort." So, I suppose it is possible to "rescue" 20,000 people, but if it did happen in precisely that way, then it's an extraordinary logistical accomplishment. But we need additional sources in the target article showing how it happened. Also, I'm removing the death toll from the blurb. The updated number stands at eight deaths according to The New York Times, but the target article, as it currently stands, does not even mention the number of deaths Christian Roess (talk) 12:40, 17 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Huge Support - this is an under-reported story overshadowed by Olympics, Trump etc. According to the Red Cross it is the worst flood in the US since Hurricane Sandy. [19] As of Tuesday 11 people have died (same source). The flooding continues it is still ongoing. 40,000+ properties have been flooded but only 20% have flood insurance. -- GreenC 13:38, 17 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment – Getting stale; loss of life isn't huge. (Meanwhile, 80,000 being evacuated from wildfire in SoCal.) Sca (talk) 14:44, 17 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support alt2. Most definitely not stale compared one or two of the items currently in the ITN template. The Rambling Man (talk) 14:51, 17 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support alt2. ...Sca, you should nominate an article & blurb with that item. Indeed, if what you say is valid, then your nomination would almost certainly take precedence over any stale items. And would help to move them off the list. That's the way to work it around here, as I'm sure you know. Christian Roess (talk) 15:34, 17 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted Based on reading the article, I hidden dated the post (and chronologized it) as August 13. I went with Alt2 with a slight tweak in the wording. --Jayron32 18:00, 17 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Two weeks back we posted 2016 Assam floods with blurb "Flooding in Assam, India, kills 28 people, affects 1.6 million others and submerges the Kaziranga National Park, a World Heritage Site." Calling this calamity as "Record flooding" is a bit hyperbole even with simple statistical comparison. Can the blurb be neutralized? §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 03:28, 18 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Is it a record in part of Louisiana? Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 03:34, 18 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Reduced to just "Flooding in...." The Rambling Man (talk) 04:49, 18 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Sounds better now. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 04:54, 18 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - it's good to see that our very own ITN editors recognized this as a newsworthy item & quickly got it posted to the main page once it was nominated and checked for quality. Meanwhile, unlike here at ITN, The New York Times is offering an Apologia for their dilatory behavior (On Gulf Coast Flooding, The Times Is Late to the Scene). They are admitting, rather disingenuously, that by obsessing over Trump and the Olympics it completely dropped the ball on one of the worst US weather related disasters since Hurricane Sandy. The excuse? Well, it's been a "busy" news cycle and reporters go on vacation in August and it's a long way to Louisiana and, ya know, real journalism is just so hard. Christian Roess (talk) 21:01, 18 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

[Posted] RD: João Havelange

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Article: João Havelange (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC Sport, Deutsche Welle, The Guardian
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Brazilian lawyer. FIFA president (1974-1998) and IOC committee member (1963-2011). Fuebaey (talk) 12:58, 16 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The article is 2,321 words long. Assuming the overall purpose is to improve articles, please be more specific in your review and not just point to policy. Fuebaey (talk) 13:59, 16 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
No, I'll just accused of drive-by tagging, so please, it's your nomination, feel free to read it over at least once before nominating and fix the POV sentences and unreferenced claims. You're experienced enough to do that. The Rambling Man (talk) 14:16, 16 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
At what point did I accuse you of that? We worked on an article fine yesterday, but I didn't randomly accuse you of nominating an article I was working on or you accuse me of randomly tagging. Why the hostility on making article improvements today? Fuebaey (talk) 14:38, 16 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I didn't say you would. The Rambling Man (talk) 14:45, 16 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Then if it doesn't refer to me, how is it relevant to my request? I'd appreciate it if you would take the time to respond to my other question as well. Fuebaey (talk) 14:50, 16 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Rambling Man, the article does not have any POV tags (either banners or inline). You have to point the issues that you found somewhere (tag the article, or detail it here, or in the article's talk page); otherwise the argument is not actionable, as someone willing to see the article in the main page does not know what needs fixing. Cambalachero (talk) 17:58, 16 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
It's been removed now, but I can't believe that no-one would read an unreferenced sentence such as The triumvirate of João Havelange, Horst Dassler and Patrick Nally would have profound effects on the future of world sport. without raising an eyebrow. Come on, if you're going to participate in this process, do it properly, everyone. Read the article, don't just skip past the majority of the text. Right now, article quality is the threshold for RDs, so there's only one job to be done, and if people can't be bothered to do that properly, I'd suggest, they don't comment here, as blind "supports" are completely unhelpful for RD. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:19, 16 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Please stop assuming there is some set ITN criteria for quality and that everyone shares your interpretation of it. That is not how consensus works. You have enunciated one issue to this article yet originally cite "claims", as in plural, in your opposition to this nomination. If you can't be bothered to point out your concerns in a timely fashion so that others can address them, perhaps you should reconsider who actually is being unhelpful. Fuebaey (talk) 00:06, 17 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
This is Wikipedia quality standards for a BLP I'm referring to. You should know that by now. The Rambling Man (talk) 05:52, 17 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Marking as ready then since no one here agrees with you and you're still refusing to point out those "BLP violations". Fuebaey (talk) 13:12, 18 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Great, you do realise the comments I made were more than two days ago? Things change and those who have actually given a damn about the article seem to have made a positive difference with BLP in mind. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:52, 18 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Good news, I've had time to re-review, there's a section without references and a couple of other citations missing, so it's not quite ready. The Rambling Man (talk) 22:15, 18 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for taking more than two days and five responses to a simple question. I'd appreciate it if you were less passive-aggressive in the future. I have added a ref and removed the unsourced section per WP:V. Fuebaey (talk) 22:30, 18 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I don't work to your timetable I'm afraid. Per WP:V, I've restored the section and demonstrated that it's possible to cite at least one of the awards. I suggest you finish the job. The Rambling Man (talk) 22:33, 18 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Per WP:V, the burden is upon the editor who restored the unsourced material. For a person who is so intent on quality, why are you readding unsourced material? Fuebaey (talk) 22:38, 18 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
If you really want this posted, you'd do some reasearch, this source should help, it lists a few more honours that aren't mentioned here. Or are you trying to push an article to the main page that you know is missing information that you can source if you want to? The Rambling Man (talk) 22:41, 18 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Jesus Christ you're both exhausting. I've sourced the remaining unsourced awards, and if anyone wants to add other awards with sources, they can later. Is it ready to post now? --Floquenbeam (talk) 22:50, 18 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Yup, thanks for doing something about it rather than just relying on others. The Rambling Man (talk) 22:55, 18 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

August 15

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August 15, 2016 (2016-08-15) (Monday)
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[Posted] Zambian presidential election

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Article: Zambian general election, 2016 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Edgar Lungu (pictured) is re-elected President of Zambia. (Post)
News source(s): BBC News, Irish Times, NYT
Credits:

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Results announced on the 15th. Fuebaey (talk) 16:12, 18 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

[Posted] RD: Bobby Hutcherson

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Article: Bobby Hutcherson (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): KQED
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Noted jazz musician. The Rambling Man (talk) 06:49, 16 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

[Posted] RD: Dalian Atkinson

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Article: Dalian Atkinson (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Retired professional footballer with lengthy career at the top level, dies after being tasered by police. The Rambling Man (talk) 12:37, 15 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

August 14

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August 14, 2016 (2016-08-14) (Sunday)
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Beni massacre

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Article: Beni massacre (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Up to 101 people killed during the Beni massacre in the Democratic Republic of Congo. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ At least 64 to 101 people killed during the Beni massacre in the Democratic Republic of Congo.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Up to 101 people killed during the Beni massacre in the Democratic Republic of Congo, protests break out.
Alternative blurb III: ​ At least 64 people killed during the Beni massacre in the Democratic Republic of Congo.
News source(s): Al Jazeera, United Methodist News, International Business Times, New Vision
Credits:

Nominator's comments: I'm presently working on the article, although it is a very major event that is getting worldwide reaction. I apologize if I made any errors, as this is my first time nominating an article. Please let me know if there is an error I need to fix. Beejsterb (talk) 09:11, 18 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

[Closed] RD: Marion Christopher Barry

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Stale. The Rambling Man (talk) 23:02, 18 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Marion Christopher Barry (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): National Post, Fox News
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Son of Marion Barry – Muboshgu (talk) 00:44, 16 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose in current state. There is material in the section "Assaults" which is unrelated to assaults. Also there seems to be unnecessary amounts of detail in both that section and the previous one on drug charges. Is it useful to know exactly what words were said etc etc? MurielMary (talk) 01:05, 16 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Capitalistroadster: Per a change in the Deaths criteria, we no longer judge importance; if the deceased merits an article, they merit posting to RD. If you feel the person does not merit an article, please propose its deletion. 331dot (talk) 05:41, 16 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
this is not the place to discuss the RD criteria, use the talk page if you must
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
This is a perfect example how this new RD does not work. Are we seriously going to post this random person Main Page? As was predicted in the RFC, RD has now become a crowded ticker for people nobody knows. 131.251.254.154 (talk) 09:44, 16 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Nope, if you don't think this person should be featured by Wikpiedia, you are welcome to log in and take it to WP:AFD. RD has gone down to as few as one individual since the new criteria were implemented. So, sorry if that disappoints you, but it's working just fine! The Rambling Man (talk) 09:47, 16 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The lack of international sources alone tells you enough about his lack of notibility. I would start a AfD, but that would just get shot down by the joined forces who seem to be intent on ruining wiki, inclusionists and Americans, so would be futile. As few as one individual he says.... A properly used RD would be empty most of the time! 131.251.254.154 (talk) 10:19, 16 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
"A properly used RD would be empty most of the time" is actually absurd. Items which are notable enough for Wikipedia should be notable enough for the main page, as long as the quality is there. That was the found consensus. Either take this to AFD, start an RFC to reverse the criteria change, or move on. The Rambling Man (talk) 10:27, 16 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose - because of BLP issues. Yes, the article's quality certainly approaches the minimal standard, I get that. But there are potential BLP issues due to the numerous controversial statements in this article, which are edgy and border on the salacious, and must be adequately sourced (and by all rights should prompt various BLP warning flags to go up). Now on the surface, these "claims" (excessive drug use and at least one highly publicized assault charge) are sufficiently sourced. But if you dig a little deeper and look at the "Reference" section, there are currently a total of 35 unique individual sources. But out of those 35, I count at least 23 that use three local sources: either The Washington Post (at least 13 references) or the The Washington Times, or The Washington City Paper. Just those three news sources, based in Washington, DC; and where Barry spent his entire life, born and died there. And that indicates to me, therefore, that most news stories related to Marion Christopher Barry over the years had a localized appeal only, specific to the Washington, DC area. (And no this is not a notability issue--that's not an issue for RD nominations anymore--and besides that's being argued elsewhere, as the article is proposed for deletion). My point is that, because this current Wikipedia article is almost entirely a litany of legal issues that make damaging character references while citing mostly three sources, we should be wary of posting this on the Main page without additional, and sufficient, peer review. Again, nearly 65% of the citations used in this article are local news items, about the son of an (in)famous mayor, whether or not you want to argue that The Washington Post has international reliability and credibility. Christian Roess (talk) 13:57, 17 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • IAR oppose. I'm not sure Christian Roess's comments are sufficient to oppose based on current policy, but they strike a chord with me, and I just don't feel comfortable posting this on the main page, when he's basically notable for being (a) a troubled man's son, and (b) troubled and miserable himself his whole life, and all the article does is describe this misery in relentless accurately-cited detail. I don't think there are necessarily BLP issues with the article, because it looks like there are not a lot of unmentioned less-depressing things to balance this with, and he seems to meet WP:GNG. So posting this would probably meet the current RD criteria. I don't want to change the criteria, but I think it's a good time to recognize that posting this would damage our collective karma, and ignore them. --Floquenbeam (talk) 14:53, 18 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - thanks for your input Floquenbeam. Your critique registered with solid comments. I just saw that the result of the deletion request for this page was to Keep. I continue to be on the fence about this particular RD nomination. Mine was a "weak oppose," and so I could, perhaps, be persuaded to change my vote if there were some conscientious (solid) reviews among my peers that this article was a fair and equitable presentation of the (sometimes sordid) details surrounding Marion Christopher Barry's unfortunate biography. Christian Roess (talk) 19:55, 18 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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[Closed] 400 m World Record

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Given the consensus against the longer-standing 10k record was just a few days ago, this is not going to be posted. The Olympics ongoing exists to prevent ITN filling up with stories about individual records and events. Thryduulf (talk) 15:37, 15 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Articles: Wayde van Niekerk (talk · history · tag) and Men's 400 metres world record progression (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Breaking a 17-year old world record, South African sprinter Wayde van Niekerk (pictured) wins gold over 400 metres at the 2016 Summer Olympics. (Post)
News source(s): (IAAF)
Credits:
Nominator's comments: Sorry I'm late with this. Thought somebody else would've posted it already. This is clearly ITN material, especially after the Kendra Harrison precedent from a couple of weeks ago. bender235 (talk) 12:25, 15 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Where has that been decided? The Harrison 100-metre hurdles WR had clear consensus just a couple of days ago. --bender235 (talk) 14:34, 15 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
IT's because we have an Olympics ongoing, and by its very nature, world records are broken all the time during the Olympic events. The Harrison event happened outside of the Olympics at an event not normally covered by ITNR, so it stood out there. --MASEM (t) 14:42, 15 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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[Closed] 100m finals

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Closed for a second time. The Rambling Man (talk) 04:50, 15 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Articles: Athletics at the 2016 Summer Olympics – Women's 100 metres (talk · history · tag) and Athletics at the 2016 Summer Olympics – Men's 100 metres (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Jamaica's Elaine Thompson wins the women's and Usain Bolt wins the men's 100 metre final at the 2016 Olympic Games. (Post)
Credits:

First article updated, second needs updating
Nominator's comments: Arguably the biggest single event in 4 years of sports with the title of "fastest person on earth" that is widely used. Cant remember if it was posted last time but I do remember a debate.
Men's inside 24 hours. Lihaas (talk) 06:00, 14 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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[Posted] The International 2016 winners

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Article: The International 2016 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In eSports, Wings Gaming defeats Digital Chaos in the final of Dota 2's The International 2016 (Post)
News source(s): Daily Dot PolygonInternational Business Times

Nominator's comments: biggest (in terms of prize pool) esports tournament. incredibly popular tournament of an incredibly popular game 174.91.85.101 (talk) 05:27, 14 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

No explanation f its import?Lihaas (talk) 06:00, 14 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

just added one 174.91.85.101 (talk) 07:32, 14 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Not really, see 2015 League of Legends World Championship. Nergaal (talk) 10:14, 14 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I mean a description of the games, e.g. "Team A picked ____ hero, team B countered with ____, team A sent ___ mid but team B had sent ___ mid and that is a bad matchup" etc. Banedon (talk) 10:17, 14 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I mean something like: The group stage started on October 1 in Le Dock Pullman, Paris and concluded on October 11.[4] In Group B, ahq e-Sports Club and Cloud9 both ended in a 3-3 tie, resulting in a tiebreaker won by ahq e-Sports Club to win second place in the group. Nergaal (talk) 13:06, 14 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I think that's unnecessary because if desired all that information is available in the tables. Banedon (talk) 14:11, 14 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed, if anybody is curious as to which heroes were picked per game, and who won game 1 of any given series, there is always this. I tried to keep it accessible for the new people reading on this due to the coverage it was getting, and LoL articles are not a good example of what to copy. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 20:08, 16 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Anyone who is unfamiliar with a subject will find a lot of detail trivial. Polygon above outlines a decent summary - would summarising that into the article be a disservice to our readers? Fuebaey (talk) 15:39, 14 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Hmm, I guess that makes sense - although I find Polygon's coverage rather boring. I guess that itself is a symptom of having to balance coverage for people who do play the game, and people who don't. Banedon (talk) 01:18, 15 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, some more text additions would be really welcome. MikeLynch (talk) 10:01, 14 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support esport world championship with the largest prize pool. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 13:59, 14 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - Although this will probably annoy some of the cultural purists in our audience, we have never had a chance to post an E-sports ITN event.--WaltCip (talk) 14:00, 14 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose We showcase articles here, not news headlines. That the blurb is twice the size of the prose update is telling. I know nothing about the game and come off not knowing any better after reading the article (is it a MMORPG/FPS/etc?). Please write a summary of the final (how they won) or their progression through the tournament (who were the favourites/were there any upsets?). Fuebaey (talk) 14:24, 14 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    • Arguably, the whole article summing up the events of the last two weeks, is the whole update. That said, like any other sporting event article, we would expect an update of a final round/match to include a summary of that event, and not just stat tables. And for this event, I don't know if that's possible given how eSports are typically covered. --MASEM (t) 21:07, 14 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I don't buy the argument of not enough detailed coverage. If that is the case, that's more of a reason not to post in my book. However, Dissident93 has since added a legacy section, which just about satisfies my prose update concerns. Fuebaey (talk) 13:44, 16 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The Article on Super Bowl 50 and 2015 World Series do not really explain the sports played for those who are new to it either, so is that really a valid argument? ~ Dissident93 (talk) 20:14, 16 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The match summaries in those articles would make me want to know more about the sport by clicking on the links to say American football (NFL) or baseball (MLB). A bunch of tournament brackets, with the majority of teams either red links or stubs, and a lack of match detail here wasn't much interest to me. It would make more sense for me to look outside Wikipedia for information, which sort of defeats the purpose of featuring the article on ITN. Fuebaey (talk) 00:32, 17 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I would love to see a statistical comparison regarding the popularity of E-sports vs. tiddlywinks.--WaltCip (talk) 15:17, 14 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I don't recall the tiddlywinks being nominated so it's hardly fair to use its absence from the main page as a reason to oppose any other nomination. If a minor expansion of the article is all that's required, let's just say that. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:54, 14 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The tiddly part was a joke. Sca (talk) 20:54, 14 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose because of the topic and strong oppose on the article basis. There is no content whatsoever apart from the charts. We would never post a serious ITNR sport article in such shape. --Tone 21:06, 14 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose mostly on article content. I'd be fine with posting the blurb if we had some prose to read about. Generally, for competitions of any sort (including things such as sporting events, awards ceremonies, major honors) we generally expect a few paragraphs of prose describing the important aspects of the event we're posting about. For an event such as this, I would at minimum expect a synopsis of the final event itself, and even better would be an overview of all events and rounds of the competition. This is basically a little background text with some massive tables, and very little prose about the actual events that happened during the competition. We need better articles than this to highlight on the main page. --Jayron32 23:55, 14 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support because I'm a huge DOTA 2 fan, and because this esports event had $20M+ prize pool, largest in history. Brian Everlasting (talk) 01:26, 15 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Article seems good enough and well referenced, although I do agree with Jayron32 that it really needs a synopsis of the final event. Only in death does duty end (talk) 09:13, 16 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support I'm not sure the best way to do an ITN blurb, but this is certainly a notable event in sports/eSports. For anybody saying the article needs more summaries of games, ESPN, Polygon, and PC Gamer all have day by day recaps of each series played (in the main stage at least). I just omitted that because most of it wouldn't make sense to a new reader who is coming to the article simply because of the coverage it was receiving. As you can see with the history tab, I'm the only user who really added info, so if somebody wants to pick up where I left off, feel free to do so. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 19:57, 16 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Any summary is better than no summary. At least some people willg et something out of it, as opposed to now, nobody get anything out. Nergaal (talk) 00:28, 17 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
We used to give preference to minority topics since the mainstream news by nature is not likely to focus on these sorts of topics (think "Kardashian effect").--WaltCip (talk) 12:18, 17 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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[Closed] Michael Phelps wins 23rd gold medal

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Closing per WP:SNOW. Consensus across multiple nominations makes it clear that stories about the Olympics are not needing a blurb; that ongoing is itself sufficient. --Jayron32 18:24, 15 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Michael Phelps (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Michael Phelps wins a record-breaking 23rd Olympic gold medal. (Post)
News source(s): See nomination below
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Article updated
Nominator's comments: No prejudice per Fuebaey. Banedon (talk) 01:23, 15 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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[Closed] RD: Kenny Baker

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Stale. The Rambling Man (talk) 23:01, 18 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Kenny Baker (English actor) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The grauniad
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Played R2-D2 in the first two Star Wars trilogies. Article needs some love, but is attracting quite a bit of attention. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 17:21, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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[Closed] Record for individual Olympic titles

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Consensus against posting a blurb comparing the ancient Olympics with the modern Olympics. No prejudice against a new nomination about Phelps' record haul. Fuebaey (talk) 14:57, 14 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Michael Phelps (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Michael Phelps breaks Leonidas of Rhodes' 2,168 year old record for most individual Olympic titles. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Michael Phelps becomes a 13-time Olympic champion in individual events breaking Leonidas of Rhodes' record from 152 BC.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Michael Phelps wins a record-breaking 23rd Olympic gold medal.
News source(s): BBC, The Australian, New York Times, Zee News
Credits:
Nominator's comments: While some recent nominations are for the breaking of records that are mere decades old, this is for a record that has stood for over two millennium. --Allen3 talk 09:59, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Somewhat oppose. While this is a fun story, it's difficult to compare ancient and modern Olympics. Would support featuring Phelps's final medal count, since he beat his record from 4 years ago. --Tone 11:31, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - fun and interesting record. And very historic and significant if you ask me.BabbaQ (talk) 14:01, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Let's be careful now... We're slated to not post Almaz Ayana's breaking the 10,000 metres world record below. I feel a need for consistency is vital if we're going to be posting record-breakings of any sorts from the Olympics.--WaltCip (talk) 14:21, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    • There is a difference between a record that is 2000 years old and yet another world record. Several world records has been made already at the 2016 olympics, Wikipedia is supposed to post significant and special world records. How is it biased to post this one, its like comparing apples and oranges.BabbaQ (talk) 14:44, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong support actually interesting perspective and also a good way to emphasize such a feat among all the others happening these days in Rio. Nergaal (talk) 14:42, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strongest possible oppose - You can't 'break a record' that is 2000 years old. The events are incomparable. It is indeed comparing apples and oranges. How sure are we even on the accuracy of Leonidas' medal tally? It's a nonsense story, far more significant records have already been broken these games, and we didn't post them. 86.28.195.109 (talk) 16:44, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Why not? The Great Pyramid's record for tallest manmade object wasn't broken for 4,000 years. Lucius Flavius Philostratus wrote about the feat shaking up Ancient Greek athletic theory. There were 115 Olympic Games after his fourpeat triple victory but before Christianity was even legal (4 times the number of Modern Games) so it wasn't just a few Games at the end with enough events for dodecuple champions to be plausible. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 17:50, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Are there any RS sources backing this "you can't 'break a record' that is 2000 years old" argument? If not then this sounds like a private opinion that is contradicted by multiple sources. On Wikipedia we don't do private opinions. We repeat what is written in reliable sources. -Ad Orientem (talk) 19:16, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
My point was that the games then were not the games now. Therefore the record is not the same. There are far more events now, so the records can't be compared. This is the same as saying the 10k world record has been broken in the 5k. Therefore this is a non-story. I suspect supports are for nationalistic reasons. As mentioned above, Wikipedia:Systemic bias 86.28.195.109 (talk) 19:45, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
But the Ancient Olympics only had a talent pool of about 50 million at most while modern Games have one of 7.5 billion. This makes it harder for today's athletes to dominate (can you imagine how many ties we'd have if who won the 200 meter race was judge by eye like the Ancient Olympics?) Also the 3 events that Leonidas won were contested hundreds of times compared to only 28 editions of the Modern Games. I don't know if these two things are enough to even things out but it certainly makes it less of a gulf. The 13 individual gold medals are actually in only 5 events and only 4 were won more than once. This might be less than one might expect given the huge number of swimming events (there likely weren't team events in the Ancient Games: [21] so to be fair we're not adding team golds to lone golds or Michael Phelps would've beaten Leonidas a long time ago. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 21:11, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per above. - EugεnS¡m¡on 16:53, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support I am pretty reluctant to post Olympic related news and records since it is covered in ongoing, but this is highly unusual and I think merits an ITN blurb. With respect to the Oppose argument, multiple reliable sources are saying it is in fact possible to break ancient records. If there are RS sources refuting the claim then we may have to reconsider this. But we go with what the sources say, not personal opinions. -Ad Orientem (talk) 18:13, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support One man held the record of 15 lifetimes of continuous Olympic competition just by being badass at the hoplitodromos. That is amazing. The 2,791 years since the first known Olympic champion is most of human history. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 19:25, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. I agree with the "apples and oranges" comment from above. The modern Olympics are not comparable to the ancient games making this "record" trivial at best. -- Tavix (talk) 20:04, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose the comparison is laughable. Slow "real news" day for those carrying this "story". The Rambling Man (talk) 20:15, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - really? comparing an athlete who was a "true " athlete to Phelps? That guy competed in "foot races", let me see Phelps achieve the same on LAND...I find swimming holds a big disadvantage to real athletes as swimmers can collect a lot more medals than those that are lucky to manage one...Until Usain Bolt collects 13 golds, Phelps achievement does not matter..--Stemoc 22:18, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
He doesn't have the body shape to be a runner. [22] He has the body shape to be a swimmer. How are you going to expect a person to run fast when they have the worst possible leg-to-torso and leg-to-arm length ratio for it? He beats the rest of the world in popular human muscle-powered solo races so he must be an athlete. Usain Bolt seems to win every 100m, 200m and 4x100m dash he enters. He would have to win 3 in 2008, 2012, 2016, 2020, and 1 out of 3 in 2024 when he's 38 to do that. That's a tall order. I think the readers would know it's only a nominal record because there's so many swimming strokes. Therefore it can go up (because 2,200 years!) Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 22:56, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Support the concept in general, but not the comparison. The two athletes are obviously not comparable. On the other hand Phelps' record haul is still something noteworthy in itself. I can get behind a blurb with something like "Michael Phelps wins a record-breaking 22nd gold medal". Support alt blurb 2. Banedon (talk) 01:08, 14 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
23. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 02:39, 14 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose I agree that there is no reason why you can't break a 2000 year-old record, but there is another question: are the ancient and moderns Olympics the same competition? They certainly don't seem to be regarded as such for record purposes, which is why you don't see Leonidas on lists of top medal winners. Just because they are both called Olympic Games doesn't mean they are the same competition. In any case, since we don't have full records of winners at the ancient Olympics, I don't see how we can say what the record for most titles was there. Neljack (talk) 04:36, 14 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose. I get why this was nominated, but this seems like more of a fun fact than a news item. It is difficult to compare this to the ancient olympics. Like Bandeon, I don't oppose posting a blurb relating to Phelps in general; he does sound like he might be done after this year(knock on wood). 331dot (talk) 10:13, 14 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Phelps is the most successful Olympian ever as we understand the term today and he's coming to the end of an incredible career. That's worth posting. The comparison to the ancient record isn't the story and, as others have noted, the two aren't really comparable. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 10:16, 14 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support the "alternate blurb II" that I just added, following the suggestion of Banedon and 331dot, the latter suggesting a kind of qualified support for "a blurb relating to Phelps in general." Similarly, I would support a blurb relating to Phelps in general. I currently oppose the other 2 blurb suggestions. Christian Roess (talk) 11:24, 14 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose The significance of the 'record' is overstated, because Phelps is a swimmer, and as a result he wins a lot of medals because there are a lot of swimming events. I doubt a discus thrower would ever be able to win 23 gold medals. Also there is already the ongoing Olympics blurb - do we really need another "news story" for a guy who wins a lot of medals because there are a lot of swimming events? Gfcvoice (talk) 13:16, 14 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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August 12

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August 12, 2016 (2016-08-12) (Friday)
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Disasters and accidents
  • Heavy rain on the Gulf Coast of the United States causes floods in the state of Louisiana and the southern part of Mississippi with one person drowning. (Weather)
  • A small plane crashes after an aborted landing at Shannon Airport near Fredericksburg, Virginia, killing six people. (Reuters)
  • In Canada, 20 year old Mohammad Hassan Chaudhary with mental health issues and no formal flight training issues stole a small Piper airplane. He crashed near a mall about halfway between his takeoff near Toronto and the capital in Ottawa. National security investigators ruled out terrorist or suicidal motives. Global News)

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  • Brendan Dassey, the subject of Netflix's hit drama Making a Murderer is found to have been wrongly convicted of murdering the photographer Teresa Halbach. A federal judge orders that he must be released from prison within three months. (People)

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[Posted] Fall of Manbij

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Article: Manbij offensive (2016) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In the Syrian civil war, the Syrian Democratic Forces capture Manbij. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In the Syrian civil war, the predominantly kurdish SDF capture Manbij from ISIL jihadists.
Alternative blurb II: ​ The Syrian Democratic Forces capture Manbij from the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant.
News source(s): Reuters
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Fairly large town (~80k before the pop was displaced by the battle) changing hands after a long and violent battle (~2k dead). Narayanese (talk) 06:19, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

[Posted] RD: Ruby Wilson

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Article: Ruby Wilson (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Washington Post
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Article is fully referenced and seems to cover main points of her career. MurielMary (talk) 10:32, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Yes agree about the lead, have fixed it. MurielMary (talk) 04:22, 14 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Cool, support. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:12, 14 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

[Posted] RD: Alison Piepmeier

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Article: Alison Piepmeier (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Charleston City Paper
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Article is well referenced. Not lengthy but seems to cover main points of her career. MurielMary (talk) 21:17, 12 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

[Closed] Almaz Ayana 23yr-old 10K world record

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Those in support point to how we previously posted records that haven't been broken in decades and those against highlight the number of records broken at the Olympics, an article which is already featured on ongoing. With fairly equal support for both, there is no consensus here to post. Fuebaey (talk) 14:36, 14 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Articles: Almaz Ayana (talk · history · tag) and Athletics at the 2016 Summer Olympics – Women's 10,000 metres (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Almaz Ayana breaks the 10,000 metres world record at the Summer Olympics. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Almaz Ayana breaks the 23-year-old 10,000 metres world record at the Summer Olympics.
News source(s): http://www.latimes.com/sports/olympics/la-sp-oly-rio-2016-ethiopia-s-ayana-sets-world-record-in-1471013800-htmlstory.html
Credits:
Nominator's comments: Athletics world records have generally been listed; thought this would be notable enough as a candidate. — Andy W. (talk · ctb) 18:54, 12 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
            • I would consider the rarely as being more important and personally would not care how small the gap was. Kendra Harrison did not smash the 100 metre hurdles record (it was 0.01 faster) but was still put on the main page mainly due to how long the old record stood with no one opposing on the grounds that she did not smash it.--67.68.161.51 (talk) 22:22, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - if the Olympics weren't ongoing right now, I would support this. But when the Olympics is ongoing, we expect world records to be broken. What makes this world record more notable than the others that are being broken? 23 years is a long time, but not that long. Banedon (talk) 01:10, 14 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment the best "hard-and-fast" starting point I can think of is if the record is older than the person breaking it. Which was nearly but not quite the case here. Another justification would be a race so hot that multiple people broke it. Which was nearly but not quite the case here. Another would be breaking an arbitrary-but-widely-recognised glass ceiling (historical examples include 4 minute mile, 10 second 100m, 100 average in test cricket), which doesn't seem to apply here. Or breaking the record by an unprecidented increment, which isn't the case.

    I'm going to stay on the fence this time – but would oppose a future nomination which seemed less worthy than this one on the criteria I outline above. StillWaitingForConnection (talk) 13:23, 14 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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[Closed] 2016 Delta Air Lines power outage

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SNOW close. SpencerT♦C 17:56, 12 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: 2016 Delta Air Lines power outage (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Delta Air Lines power outage causing thousands of delays at multiple airports around the United States (Post)
--Jax 0677 (talk) 15:49, 12 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - Not really important, similar incidents have occurred at airports around the world which we have never posted. Peoples flights were delayed or canceled, nothing really that important or unique. Andise1 (talk) 16:05, 12 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Per this article, "This should actually sound familiar, because it’s the third major computer malfunction of a U.S. airline in the past year."
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[Closed] A-Rod retires from all forms of baseball

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We all see where this is going ... --Tone 10:40, 12 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Alex Rodriguez (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Alex Rodriguez retires from Major League Baseball. (Post)
Credits:
 Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 07:05, 12 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
He is the Sachin Tendulkar of baseball (okay he was) and Sachin Tendulkar was posted. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 08:40, 12 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
In the States Alex Rodriguez is often called A-Rod. His last game is today. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 09:24, 12 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
But this was posted and MLB is the top level of baseball in the world with players from Japan, Dominican Republic, Cuba, Panama, Venezuela, Colombia, Taiwan, Korea, Canada, Mexico, Australia, Nicaragua, the US.. which is more than the number of Test playing cricket countries. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 10:19, 12 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
So you're saying that MLB players come from a range of countries. Still doesn't make the retirement of one player a significant story. As noted below by an IP editor, test cricket is played in a larger proportion of the world than baseball, making the comparison with Tenkdulkar rather moot. You're comparing apples with oranges. MurielMary (talk) 10:44, 12 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. His 'greatest player' status is tainted by his drug issues. The article states that he is considered "one of the greatest", not "the greatest"; Tendulkar was considered 'the greatest'. 331dot (talk) 10:23, 12 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose (and corrected indentation) - Sports retirement postings are very rare (and I would argue none should be posted). The comparison to cricket is of course flawed, as the 'fewer' countries that play test cricket include India and Pakistan, they alone are 20% of the worlds population. A quick adding up shows the countries mentioned as playing baseball add up to about 11%. Not that it matters for this nom, but needed to correct the incorrect statement. 131.251.254.154 (talk) 10:29, 12 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Armed conflicts and attacks
  • August 2016 Thailand bombings
    • Two bombs hidden in plant pots explode killing at least one person and injuring 10 others, including foreign tourists, in Hua Hin District, Thailand. (BBC)
  • Thirteen people are injured when a roadside bomb hits a Pakistani security vehicle in the southwestern city of Quetta, the same town where at least 74 were killed in a suicide bombing at a hospital on Monday. The police were escorting a judge, who was not injured. (Reuters)
  • Syrian Civil War
    • Suspected Russian airstrike in Aleppo city kills Khaled Omar Harrah while carrying out a rescue mission. Omar is a Syrian rescue worker who became famous around the world after saving a baby buried for 16 hours under rubble. (The Telegraph)

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  • An apartment building explosion in Silver Spring, Maryland, kills at least two and injures 34, with five to seven people missing. The blast has displaced more than 90 residents. Fire and rescue responded to "a smell of gas" on July 25. The cause of the explosion is being investigated. (The Washington Post) (NBC News)
  • At least 21 people are killed and five are injured following an explosion at a power plant in the city of Dangyang, Hubei province in central China. The blast occurred around 3:20 p.m. local time, when a high-pressure steam pipe exploded, according to China's official Xinhua News Agency. (Reuters)

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[Posted] Greenland Shark

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Posted, no further banter required. The Rambling Man (talk) 22:06, 12 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Greenland shark (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Scientists identify the Greenland shark as the world's longest-living vertebrate (Post)
News source(s): [24] [25]
Credits:

Article updated
Nominator's comments: Not sure if List of longest-living organisms should also be linked. It is less relevant. Banedon (talk) 01:03, 12 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Definitely notable. This is a remarkable discovery. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 07:12, 12 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, it's not all that remarkable. Abductive (reasoning) 15:22, 12 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I wonder what the Greenland sharks think of human, er ... development? ... in the last 400 years. Sca (talk) 14:47, 12 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
There are whales alive now who remember being hunted in the 1800s. Abductive (reasoning) 15:22, 12 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
And there isused to be a tortoise remembering the last of his own species being alive. Nergaal (talk) 17:10, 12 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Dr. Bob wrote a song about a situation sort of like that. Sca (talk) 21:56, 12 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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[Closed] RD: Hanif Mohammad

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Not sufficiently improved and stale. Stephen 05:36, 17 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Hanif Mohammad (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ESPNcricinfo
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
 70.50.214.180 (talk) 16:34, 11 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose for now. Article quality has a long way to go. Very little is referenced, there's no mention in the article text about the manner or circumstances of his death, it's got a weird organization problem (why are batting statistics listed under family members?!?) Really needs some work before we invite others to read this article through a main page link. --Jayron32 16:39, 11 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. Short article, minimal referencing - and the man's entire career is represented by a single graph. This needs a ton of work before it's front-page quality. Challenger l (talk) 18:11, 11 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose in current state. Graph is insufficient to describe a career, although some of the prose earlier in the article is related to his career - needs re-organisation and improved citations. MurielMary (talk) 10:00, 12 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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[Closed] RD: Thomas Steinbeck

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Not sufficiently improved and stale. Stephen 05:36, 17 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Thomas Steinbeck (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Chicago Tribune/Associated Press
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: An adequate article that's now adequately sourced. But the article needs to be expanded to include the ongoing legal battles that Steinbeck endured (especially during the final decade of his life) with regards to both his father's legacy and copyright issues. Christian Roess (talk) 09:32, 14 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - added the "Attention Needed" marker to the nomination. My justification for doing so is that it has received no input since I posted this 36 hours ago. Christian Roess (talk) 21:41, 15 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • 'Support when expanded per the nomination. What's there is good, but incomplete. Thryduulf (talk) 21:47, 15 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    • Thank you. I agree. I hope your input will draw some attention so that another editor can jump in here and help with expanding the the article. Meanwhile, I'll jump in here again later, hopefully before the seven days run out on getting this posted. For now, I've got other non-Wikipedia commitments to take care of. Christian Roess (talk) 22:10, 15 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I didn't see any point in posting my opposition as the nominator states him/herself that the article is incomplete. MurielMary (talk) 01:01, 16 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    • True, point well-taken. So I removed the "Attention Needed" designation. And, as of now, I've gotten some input which is what I was looking for. And again, I appreciate the assistance from any editor reading this and is so inclined to jump in to help expand. FYI, I posted three links on the Thomas Steinbeck talk page, section "Needs expansion"~~>here<~~. These 3 reference should be a useful starting point for those interested in helping. Christian Roess (talk) 13:02, 16 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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August 10

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  • Boeing's CFO Greg Smith announces that Boeing won't raise production of its 787 Dreamliner to fourteen per month as previously expected, but will keep it at 12 while continuing to monitor demand. (Reuters)

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[Closed] RD: John Saunders

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Not sufficiently improved. Stephen 23:30, 16 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: John Saunders (journalist) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Albany Times Union
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
 WaltCip (talk) 15:11, 10 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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August 9

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[Closed] RD: Gerald Grosvenor, 6th Duke of Westminster

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Greatly improved, but now stale. Stephen 23:29, 16 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Gerald Grosvenor, 6th Duke of Westminster (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ITN
Credits:

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Nominator's comments: List as "Duke of Westminster". Article being updated as news breaks. Mjroots (talk) 21:40, 9 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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[Posted] RD: Kalikho Pul

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Article: Kalikho Pul (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NDTV
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Ex-Chief Minster of Indian state of Arunachal Pradesh allegedly committed suicide by hanging. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 10:18, 9 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose - tidy up needed in: clarity of English e.g. the meaning of "Negi insisted the school's officials" isn't clear; organise facts into chronological order e.g. early life section is out of sequence (marriage in 1990s then health in 1980s). MurielMary (talk) 10:23, 9 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Have copyedited that sentence. Please check; or better still hit the [edit] and help. Have also removed the marriage bit. He had three wives and dunno which marriage happened in 1996. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 11:05, 9 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support now. MurielMary (talk) 20:38, 9 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

August 8

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  • A report showing a negative evaluation of the British Government's Troubled Families programme is leaked to the BBC. (BBC)

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[Closed] Thai Constitutional Referendum, 2016

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Stale, unimproved. Stephen 23:41, 14 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Thai constitutional referendum, 2016 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Thai voters approve a new semi-democratic constitution (Post)
News source(s): See article
Credits:

Article updated
Nominator's comments: I'm putting this under 8 August instead of 7 August (the date of the referendum) since this date is when the results were announced Banedon (talk) 01:26, 12 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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[Withdrawn] Sterile neutrino

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I'm going to withdraw this since I find Dragons flight's arguments convincing. If anyone still feels this is worth posting feel free to revert this closure. Banedon (talk) 05:04, 11 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Articles: Sterile neutrino (talk · history · tag) and Standard model (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Scientists find no evidence for the sterile neutrino in the 320 GeV to 20 TeV mass range. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Scientists at the IceCube Neutrino Observatory find no evidence for the sterile neutrino, upholding the validity of the Standard Model.
News source(s): [26] [27]
Credits:

Both articles need updating
 Banedon (talk) 02:01, 10 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Similar to the 750 GeV bump earlier this week, this null result is big for particle physics. It may well indicate the desert theory (Desert (particle physics) is true. Don't know which article is better to link to. Sterile neutrino is more directly relevant but it's also more technical. There's little hope to make it less technical as well: it's a difficult topic, not something even an undergraduate in physics can be expected to be familiar with. The Standard Model article is more accessible but still rather technical (although this time it's something a physics undergraduate should be expected to understand ... to some degree). IceCube Neutrino Observatory would link the instrument used, but not the theory. All articles need updating; should be done pretty soon though. Banedon (talk) 02:01, 10 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Well a null result is still a result - think Michelson-Morley experiment. On a personal level I actually feel this result (and the lack of groundbreaking data from the LHC) is more interesting than the gravitational waves detection earlier this year, since GR is so well-established that gravitational waves not being detected would have been a much bigger story. Banedon (talk) 08:42, 10 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Michelson-Morley is a classic result because it disproved something that most experts at the time thought to be true (i.e. luminiferous aether), and pointed towards an obvious problem with the then current theoretical understanding of light. By contrast, even before this result there was no consensus that sterile neutrinos must exist at all, and even if they do exist, there isn't a strong reason to assume their mass range is accessible to current experiments (GUT models often suggest sterile neutrino masses of 105 – 1012 GeV, far above the current result). If sterile neutrinos exist, and if they have a relatively low mass, then they make more sense as a dark matter candidate, but they are far from the only dark matter candidate. Altogether, this null result is interesting for particle physics, but it does little to challenge or improve our current understanding of the universe so it is not nearly as important as something like the Michelson-Morley experiment. Dragons flight (talk) 09:07, 10 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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[Posted] RD: Edward Daly

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Article: Edward Daly (bishop) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC, Belfast Telegraph
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: late Bishop of Derry; famous for using a handkerchief as a white flag to get wounded people to safety during Bloody Sunday (1972). Article needs a bit of work but is not atrocious. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 09:12, 9 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

[Posted RD] RD or blurb: Shahram Amiri

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Article: Shahram Amiri (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Iranian Kurdish nuclear scientist Shahram Amiri is executed by the Iranian judiciary.
News source(s): LA Times, Mehr News, Tehran Times
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: He was executed by Iran on August 3, but it's only making the rounds in the news today as Tehran confirmed it yesterday, hence I'm listing it here. Major story. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:10, 8 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

[Posted] 2016 Ethiopian protests

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Article: 2016 Ethiopian protests (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ At least 90 people protesting human rights abuses, corruption and land confiscation have been shot and killed during some of the most violent protests seen in sub-Saharan Africa in recent years. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Thousands of people have been attacked and/or arrested during some of the most violent protests in sub-Saharan Africa's recent history.
Alternative blurb II: ​ At least 90 people are killed during protests against human rights abuses and corruption in Ethiopia.
News source(s): Reuters, BBC, VOA
Credits:

Nominator's comments: Adding more info as and when updates come. Could use help with an image. These are the most violent protests Sub Saharan Africa has seen in a long time. This is also a region of the world and country that doesn't get on the "In the news" section very often. Monopoly31121993 (talk) 14:17, 8 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment The reports seem to vary how many (if any) are dead. Also, the "most violent protests" aspect of both blurbs seem to be synthesis. If we post this, we should leave it to the reasons why, and not try to express magnitude by this type of language. --MASEM (t) 14:30, 8 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait. There's potential for a clear-cut post here. The article needs a bit of work but that should happen naturally as details emerge. Of bigger concern is the blurb. I'm a bit hesitant to go with (the normally gold-standard) Reuters due to the way they seem to have arrived at that headline. StillWaitingForConnection (talk) 14:57, 8 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment – Blurb definitely needs work to be more neutral. Should just be simple and state that people died/were arrested in protests in the country. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 17:02, 8 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - Stating the facts (number of people killed) and the reason why they were protesting is very neutral and NPOV. Just "state that peopled died"? Wikipedia states facts like the number of people killed all the time. Stories from Africa should be treated equally.Monopoly31121993 (talk) 17:07, 8 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    • The third blurb added by Masem is what I was looking for. The sensationalism of "shot and killed" and "most violent" was what needed to be avoided. Sorry for not conveying that properly. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 17:13, 8 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
      • Plus I noticed that the "most violent protest" is comparing to a Dec 2015 event, which is far too recent to be calling this out to make this much that more important. (I do not question the general importance of this, just the pleading-type of language to try to elevate it beyond what NPOV would require us). We can identify the cause of the protests because that is key context here. --MASEM (t) 17:28, 8 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support alt 2 as most neutral blurb. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 18:54, 8 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Alt 2 but suggest change to simple present tense: At least 90 people are killed.... Sca (talk) 20:47, 8 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
That could change. Not a news ticker. Sca (talk) 00:45, 9 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

[Posted] Quetta bombing

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Commentary descending into unhelpful territory. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:08, 9 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: 8 August 2016 Quetta bombing (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Suicide bombing and gunfiring at Quetta, Pakistan result in 55 fatalities and over 100 others being injured. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ At least 70 people are killed in an attack in Quetta, Pakistan
News source(s): The Times of India, BBC
Credits:

Article updated
Nominator's comments: Adding more info as and when updates come. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 10:42, 8 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Agree that more info should be added but not sure why reactions would be "crap" when we have quotefarms at Category:Reactions to terrorist attacks. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 16:15, 8 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Quotefarms are considered a bad thing. Abductive (reasoning) 01:01, 9 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Where does any Wikipedia guideline or policy support that personal opinion? The Rambling Man (talk) 06:13, 9 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support – Notability is clear, and article is just long enough. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 17:06, 8 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support – High death toll, covered by many major news sources, article is okay Spiderone 17:31, 8 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Approximately, a mobe of 200 (Mourners) targeted. Above 100 injured half of them are fatal. Nearly 100 (above 80) have lost their lives. Nannadeem (talk) 17:44, 8 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support: Significant, well sourced and enoughly expanded to be placed in In The News. Nauriya (Rendezvous) 23:01, 8 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Support I am becoming increasingly reluctant to support the weekly (at least) terrorist attacks in places where such are extremely common, even with comparatively high death tolls. These kinds of mass casualty attacks in places like Pakistan, Afghanistan and Iraq occur with a frequency rivaling mass shootings in the United States. I concede that some will need to be posted, but, the bar for my support is going to a bit higher than previously. Not sure exactly where that will be. But I think that this is probably on the low end of what I am likely to support in the future. -Ad Orientem (talk) 18:20, 8 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Pakistan is not Iraq nor Afghanistan where ISIS and American forces kill with impunity. -39.46.11.173 (talk) 18:43, 8 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
History suggests that both the US and Al Qaeda do indeed kill with impunity in that country. -Ad Orientem (talk) 19:57, 9 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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[Closed] RD: Midget Farrelly

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Article unimproved. Stephen 00:12, 10 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Midget Farrelly (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ World's first surfing champion Midget Farrelly dies at age 71.
News source(s): Daily mail, ABC, Guardian
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
 --Marvellous Spider-Man (talk) 05:28, 8 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
News sources before his death. --Marvellous Spider-Man (talk) 05:38, 8 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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August 7

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[Posted] Hurricane Earl

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Article: Hurricane Earl (2016) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Landslides caused by Hurricane Earl (pictured) kill at least 38 people across Mexico. (Post)
News source(s): USA Today, CNN
Credits:

Nominator's comments: Unexpectedly deadly in Mexico; deadliest single Atlantic hurricane since Sandy in 2012. The effects in the Dominican Republic (13 deaths) could be included in the blurb, but they happened days prior and were far less significant. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 02:02, 8 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

[Posted] 2016 Macedonian floods

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Article: 2016 Macedonian floods (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ At least 20 people are killed with dozens injured in the floods that hit the north-western part of Macedonia. (Post)
News source(s): BBC, Reuters
Credits:

Nominator's comments: The news appears on the front page of the BBC for hours. I have created the article with the main information available in public for now. The article will be updated with all the news once they come in. --Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 13:40, 7 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

[Closed] 3,000th hit

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SNOW closing good faith nomination; very unlikely this uncommon(not rare) achievement will be posted as it is not groundbreaking or new to the sport. 331dot (talk) 09:19, 8 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Ichiro Suzuki (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ (I'm not good at blurbs) (Post)
Credits:
Nominator's comments: Ichiro Suzuki gets 3,000th MLB hit. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 02:37, 8 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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August 6

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[Posted] RD: Helen Delich Bentley

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Article: Helen Delich Bentley (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Washington Post
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Tidy-up done, seems to be well referenced and complete now. MurielMary (talk) 03:35, 7 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support per Nominator's comment: it is well-referenced. A concise article that keeps to an encyclopedic tone and style, while also managing to connect to the reader on other levels, too, in my opinion. Well-done and ready to post. Christian Roess (talk) 09:59, 7 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support I agree with Christian Roess, this is one of the best articles I've seen nominated here in some time. Kudos to MurielMary who seems to have put a lot of work into the article. Thryduulf (talk) 10:16, 7 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks :-) MurielMary (talk) 09:54, 9 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

August 5

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  • A Pakistani Mi-17 transport helicopter belonging to the Punjab government en route to Russia for repair, crashed on Thursday night in Logar Province, Afghanistan. The six people on board have been taken hostage by the Taliban. (The Express Tribune) (Pakistan Today)
  • After the crash of a Pakistani Mi-17 transport helicopter belonging to the Punjab government, Army Chief General Raheel Sharif had called the U.S. Military Commander in Afghanistan, General John Nicolson, and asked him to help recover the crew. The Afghan government and Afghan Army have also been contacted for recovery of helicopter and crew. (Dunya News)

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  • A Swedish court orders the owner of the luxury cruise ship MV Ocean Gala that was due to house 1,800 asylum seekers before the Swedish Migration Agency pulled the plug to immediately leave its port. The local County administration says it intends to forcefully execute the ruling of the court if the vessel has not left the port by Monday morning. (Local)
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[Closed] 2016 Kokrajhar shooting

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No consensus, article not developed, out of the news already. Stephen

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Article: 2016 Kokrajhar shooting (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Fourteen people are killed and sixteen others are injured in a shooting near Kokrajhar, India (Post)
News source(s): Daily Express, Business Standard, Al Jazeera, BBC, ABC News
Credits:
Nominator's comments: Terrorist attack in India. Andise1 (talk) 21:48, 5 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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[Closed] The 750 GeV bump has evaporated

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consensus is against posting. Thryduulf (talk) 00:05, 6 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Articles: 750 GeV diphoton excess (talk · history · tag) and Large Hadron Collider (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ An anomaly in the data from the Large Hadron Collider experiment, thought to be a signal from a new particle, turns out to be a statistical fluke. (Post)
News source(s): NYT
Credits:

Article needs updating
Nominator's comments: While it sounds uninteresting, this is quite significant as there was huge excitement about the bump, more than 500 peer reviewed articles were written about it. Count Iblis (talk) 18:49, 5 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. Is this about the "God particle"? Or does it have a different significance? 114.111.166.7 (talk) 20:20, 5 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. So, some months ago scientists reported hints of a possible discovery that might have reshaped particle physics and guaranteed the discoverers a Nobel prize. After gathering more data, they found that their potential earth-shattering discovery was simply not real. A statistical fluke. Look at enough data and even a 1 in 1000 fluctuation will occur sometimes. Science is doing what science should do (except maybe they made too much of the early hints of a signal). However, I don't see how any of this raises to the level of ITN. The lack of a new particle just doesn't have the necessary notoriety. Even if, as the submitter suggests, hundreds of speculative papers were written about the now debunked signal, I just don't see how this non-discovery has the necessary significance. Dragons flight (talk) 20:39, 5 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Interesting, but not newsworthy; if it was negating the findings that "proves" Higgs Boson, that might be something, but as best as I can tell, they let know they found something interesting at 750 GeV earlier, but didn't claim anything until they had time to properly analyze the data, and now with it analyzed, have found nothing they can state accurately. --MASEM (t) 20:45, 5 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose utterly inaccessible to 99.9% of our readers. If there was some context and some regular English, it might be worth consideration. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:02, 5 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per TRM. I tagged 750 GeV diphoton excess with {{technical}}, because it is not accessible at all. I could reconsider if the article became comprehensible to the layman. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:36, 5 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Oppose Even the blurb is not strictly accurate. From the start, it was always known & reported that it could be the hint of something new or it could be just a statistical fluke. More data analysed and confirmed was always needed before it came close to the required statistical significance. Now that they have the data, they drew the conclusion that there's nothing there. Lots of articles theorising what it could be if it had turned out to be real? Sure, but that's what theorists do, theorising, either theory first & then confirmation or unexpected result & then theory as to why. There needs to be both for there to be anything significant. -- KTC (talk) 22:03, 5 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose As a mathematician, I find this interesting, but I guess most Wikipedia readers wouldn't. Also, limited coverage in newspapers, and 750 GeV diphoton excess is too technical, and needs more sources in places. Joseph2302 22:54, 5 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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    • At least 40 government air strikes hit rebel-held areas of Aleppo city and nearby towns, including on a camp for displaced people in Atareb, south-west of Aleppo, killing at least two people. (The National)
    • Jan Egeland, an adviser to the UN’s special envoy to Syria, says that there were 44 attacks on hospitals, clinics and health posts around Syria in July alone. (The National)

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[Closed] First reprogrammable quantum computer built

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Somewhat stale, and no consensus; Development is not adequately explained in the proposed articles, both of which are tagged for improvement. Stephen 00:59, 10 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Quantum computing (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Scientists at the University of Maryland create the first reprogrammable quantum computer. (Post)
News source(s): Nature Live Science Wired The Telegraph The Wall Street Journal
Credits:
Nominator's comments: This seems like a big step in the world of quantum computers. I linked the article "quantum computing" in the blurb, however, if someone else thinks a better article is more suitable for the blurb feel free to suggest it or add an altblurb. Andise1 (talk) 04:28, 8 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Tentative support as a nice milestone in quantum computing, but the quantum computing article might not be a good one to link to, given that most of it deals with the theory of quantum computers and nothing of that is changing with this programmable quantum computer. Timeline of quantum computing might be a better target, although that article will have to be updated (there is also an orange tag in that article). Banedon (talk) 05:36, 8 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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[Closed] 2016 Nevada wildfire

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Clearly not happening. Banedon (talk) 10:47, 5 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: 2016 Nevada wildfire (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Wildfire in seven U.S. states keeping thousands of firefighters at bay (Post)
--Jax 0677 (talk) 17:21, 4 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, as I understand it (from my son who's with the USFS), the one in Idaho is sorta medium-sized. And as I recall, the fires in Wash. & Ore. last year prompted widespread evacuations. Sca (talk) 21:43, 4 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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[Posted] Blurb and Ongoing: 2016 Summer Olympics

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Article: 2016 Summer Olympics (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The 2016 Summer Olympics open in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The Summer Olympics open in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil.
Credits:

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: This is mostly since we know this is happening tomorrow, with the only thing up in the area being the details of the opening ceremony (which itself is an ITNR) Preemptive to make sure that the article is up to par (it looks like it is), so that we can post the blurb once the ceremonies have closed and a proper update given. That said, the Olympics were one of the purposes we crafted Ongoing for, so assuming we have a blurb, as soon as that blurb falls off the ITN list it should be added as Ongoing. MASEM (t) 14:41, 4 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I took it down. After reviewing the article I concluded that whatever the situation was back in May when it was attached, the article is now decently sourced. If someone disagrees we can discuss it on the talk page of the article. -Ad Orientem (talk) 18:56, 4 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
P.S. I agree that we should not post this until after the opening ceremony is finished. -Ad Orientem (talk) 19:01, 4 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
move ongoing to the chronology page as that is more regularly updated. I did most of the updates in '12 and more so in '14.Lihaas (talk) 02:58, 6 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Done. There's no point in linking the top-level page twice. Espresso Addict (talk) 04:27, 6 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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[Closed] RD: Chris Amon

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Not of the standard required to be posted. Mjroots (talk) 16:15, 7 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Chris Amon (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Daily Mail The Guardian
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: NZ Formula One racing car driver, MBE. Some paragraphs are sparsely cited; borderline or fail on quality of referencing? MurielMary (talk) 10:33, 3 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

*Strong oppose I understand that drivers who have never won an F1 championship might be somehow significant but "one of the best F1 drivers never to win a championship Grand Prix" is unquestionably far from any notability in the field.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 14:21, 3 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Indeed, that would be a problem if we were still using notability as a criteria for RD. However, per the new RFC, RDs for people with articles are automatically judged to have fulfilled the notability criterion. We must therefore judge only on verifiability and proper referencing in the article.--WaltCip (talk) 14:46, 3 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • @WaltCip: Yes, I participated with few comments while we were using the trial but the discussion was extremely extensive and I had to give up before making any decision. Anyway, I'm still puzzled why that change is not documented in the manual on the top of this page, thus giving me the impression that nothing has actually changed.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 15:42, 3 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Kiril Simeonovski: where are you referring to? There is a box at the top of the page noting the changed criteria, and a note attached to every RD nomination template that explains the new criteria. The manual at the top just notes what RD is and that some deaths get a blurb if there is consensus for that - it doesn't say anything about who qualifies and never has. Thryduulf (talk) 17:38, 3 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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[Posted] Emirates Flight 521

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Posted, and will stay posted. Stephen 03:49, 4 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Emirates Flight 521 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ All 300 people on board Emirates Flight 521 (aircraft involved pictured) escape after the aircraft crash-lands and catches fire at Dubai International Airport. (Post)
News source(s): Aviation Herald, BBC
Credits:
Nominator's comments: Aircraft burnt out, no major casualties. Rare for a major aviation accident. Mjroots (talk) 11:45, 3 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Personally, I'm not 100% convinced there's enough meat on the bones of this article to warrant posting it quite yet, but several people much more content-competent than I am seem to think there is, so who am I to argue quality/quantity with them? And none of the opposes seem to think the article is substandard, so I think I'm just misguided. As for newsworthiness, there's a clear consensus above to post. And the {{cn}} issues mentioned by KTC have been resolved by Mjroots. So, posting. --Floquenbeam (talk) 17:04, 3 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    • Also, I didn't include the image because I'm not quite sure how to caption a picture of the aircraft taken in 2009. "Emirates aircraft in 2009"? (Seems unclear.) "Emirates Flight 521"? (seems wrong, in that case people would expect a picture of crash) The image is already protected on commons, so as soon as someone smart can think of a caption that is accurate and not 3 lines long, it's well past time the Solar Impulse II image gets swapped out (and, in fact, the Solar Impulse II blurb is stale and should be removed from ITN as soon as there's a new image). --Floquenbeam (talk) 17:15, 3 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - per heavy news media attention, article is decent enough.BabbaQ (talk) 17:46, 3 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Post Posting Oppose This is a slow news day one (or maybe two) day wonder. It has already disappeared from the front page of many of the news venues I look at. -Ad Orientem (talk) 00:10, 4 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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RD: Ahmed Zewail

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Article: Ahmed Zewail (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Reuters El Mundo Huffington Post
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Egyptian chemist who was the first Arab to win the Nobel Prize in Chemistry in 1999. Per the Wikipedia article on him, he is referred to as the "father of femtochemistry". Andise1 (talk) 06:03, 3 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Noting here that I've re-opened the Zewail nomniation below: see Wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates#RD:_Ahmed_Zewail. Posting up here to hopefully get some action on this. He died on 2 August, and funeral (which I've noted in the article) was on Monday (8 August) Sunday (7 August). Carcharoth (talk) 08:14, 9 August 2016 (UTC) Fixed funeral date error. Carcharoth (talk) 12:27, 9 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I'm confused as to why we need two nominations for this? Why does this nomination get another six days? The Rambling Man (talk) 08:42, 9 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I've moved this down here; it doesn't need more time than other noms. 331dot (talk) 08:46, 9 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for moving it. I am worried that the nomination will be automatically archived at midnight UTC tonight, as was done for 1 August here. That means the re-opened nomination gets 15 hours of discussion time. It doesn't help that the two people who have already looked at it (you and The Rambling Man) have not commented, though you found the time to move the nomination around and question the timing. Is there a reason you didn't both comment to support or oppose the re-opened nomination? I worked on the article in part because TRM said above "you should put your money where your mouth is and fix the issues highlighted by the orange maintenance tag since you seem to care about this nomination". I'm not the person he was responding to, but I care enough about this nomination to have worked on the article. I am disappointed (and that is putting it mildly) that he and you would do the same thing he was being critical of others for - i.e. make a drive-by comment without taking the time to comment or work on the actual nomination (for the first time in your case) or say whether the work done has changed your views (in the case of TRM). I worked on the article for several hours this morning, and made these changes. So will it be possible to come to a decision before the bot archives this nomination? Carcharoth (talk) 09:55, 9 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
To be honest I have not yet reviewed the nomination to give an opinion; I only noticed the double posting. 331dot (talk) 09:59, 9 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
(e/c) I would hardly consider my comment to be "drive by". I have no interest in this article at all, so I don't want to work on it. But I am still capable of determining whether or not it is in a suitable condition for the main page. I've re-assessed the article. Good work. The Rambling Man (talk) 10:04, 9 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose some irrelevant statements e.g mention of other Egyptians who have received Nobel Prizes, and the Research section seems skimpy (sparse) considering this is what he was notable for. Also lead paragraph has no references, and last sentence of "Political" section is not about politics. MurielMary (talk) 10:09, 9 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Nominations for the RD section are dated according to the date of the death (or occasionally the date of the death being reported in the media - which in this case is the same as the date of death, 2 August) and, as you have already noted, are archived 7 days after that date. This is because the section is for "recent" deaths and anything older than a week is not considered "recent". Nominations aren't extended past the 7-day limit. MurielMary (talk) 10:41, 9 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I know that. But as I say, it is disappointing if such rules are rigidly adhered to. Maybe I should suggest a full blurb on the basis that the military funeral is being widely reported? Daily Sabah, Daily News Egypt, Aswat Masriya. I expect the coverage in Arabic sources is even more widespread. It was reported in China and in South America. The funeral was broadcast on Egyptian state television. Carcharoth (talk) 10:53, 9 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The current oldest blurb is August 5, this is older than that. To be fair, six days have elapsed since this was initially nominated. My comment was made half an hour after nomination, then it languished for some time. We can't bend rules just because there's no interest in updating a particular article until it's stale. The Rambling Man (talk) 10:56, 9 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The funeral took place on 7 August, and the news coverage ramped up again at that point. I know I came late to the party, but can you see how the attitude here is diminishing my motivation to work on the article? When someone shows an interest in working on a nomination, surely the attitude should be to encourage them? You can't on the one hand complain that people don't show an interest, and then when they do show an interest, start insisting on following rules. Well, you can, but do you see the impression that gives? Carcharoth (talk) 11:07, 9 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know what part of "support" you don't understand. I can't do anything more. I would be surprised if the community would agree to a blurb, but you could try starting a new blurb nomination relating to the funeral if you really think it'd float. The Rambling Man (talk) 13:30, 9 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I appreciate your support. I was responding more to the idea that staleness of an item is an unbending rule that can't be mitigated in anyway by interest shown, or work done on an article, or even the accomplishments of the article subject. The other thing that irks me about this is the feeling that the article is being held to arbitrarily high standards. I noticed a throwaway comment above about Helen Delich Bentley (the entry currently in RD, though RD of course can have more than one entry) being "one of the best articles I've seen nominated here in some time". I shouldn't really draw comparisons (because MurielMary has commented on this nomination and quite rightly pointed out some things that still need doing), but it feels very similar. She improved the article from this to this over about an hour and half, nominated it, and it was supported and posted within 14 hours. I did something similar (three hours to go from this to this) with an article about someone who a lot more could be written about, and for which there is a lot more to be said. I did my best (tidying references, adding references, replacing references, removing uncited material, dealing with the close paraphrasing concern, adding more material, and updating to include the funeral). It was a lot of work, and I went through the article carefully, but not carefully enough it seems. Following the weak oppose, I offered to work on it some more, and was met with a "rules are the rules" response. Taking on the thankless task of doing something with a nearly-stale nomination was probably a mistake. I was quite hopeful that I had done what was needed to turn this around and get a Nobel laureate (however briefly) on the ITN RD area, but it seems not. Maybe I should just wait and see what the next eight hours or so brings. I realise I am going a bit over the top here - apologies for that! Carcharoth (talk) 14:19, 9 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I've given you my support, I've given you some advice, at the end of the day we have to question why this was given no attention for six days. It is in no way a special case, and there's no such thing as "the rules are the rules" response, just advice that we can't summarily move candidates forward six days just because you've managed to get the time to update the article to the standard required of the main page. Your efforts are to be applauded (I think I said something like "good work"): working on a RD that's just about to drop off due to the seven-day limit will benefit Wikipedia immeasurably, but may not result in any main page exposure. So at least the readers will benefit, regardless of any of these odd main page processes. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:32, 9 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
<shrug> I've calmed down a bit, but clearly there are problems with WP:ITN when someone can work on a nomination, when I've addressed the concerns of the one oppose (though time zones might make it difficult for a response in time there), there is support, and yet it is just going to be mostly ignored by others coming to the page (who are more interested in other parts of the page, which is understandable) and this nomination will just age off the page. I presumed that once it was on RD, that it would stay until bumped off, or have I misunderstood that? Is the RD bit of ITN cleared regularly even if no new items are arriving? If that is so, then yes, this nomination has now become pointless, though having now looked it up, I see: "In general, RDs should remain up for no more than 7 days after the death, except where there was a substantial delay in posting the item.". So maybe it might have stayed up for a few more days if it had got posted. Shall I check back at 00:00 UTC and see if anyone has made a decision on this before the bot arrives with the guillotine? Carcharoth (talk) 21:46, 9 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

[Posted] 2016 Assam floods

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Article: 2016 Assam floods (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Assam floods affect 1.8 million people and kill more than 300 wild animals at the Kaziranga National Park, a World Heritage Site. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Assam floods affect 1.8 million people resulting in 28 fatalities and kill more than 300 wild animals at the Kaziranga National Park, a World Heritage Site.
News source(s): The Guardian, The Times of India
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: The topic is definitely newsworthy and worth ITN, especially with the given damages. But the last sentence of the article would answer your question on why the news is not much in news. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 04:08, 3 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment Perhaps this might be better ongoing since the event is still occurring. If it is posted to ITN as a blurb, focusing on the wildlife over the human fatalities seems very odd. --MASEM (t) 04:31, 3 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Alt blurb suggested to include human fatalities. Please ce blurbs if required; I think it's awkwardly phrased. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 06:16, 3 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

[Closed] Wind power in Massachusetts

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I don't have a strong sense that consensus will develop for this. Stephen 22:56, 2 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Wind power in Massachusetts (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The AWEA lauds Massachusetts lawmakers' decision to require 1600MW offshore wind by 2027. (Post)
News source(s): [28]
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 This new law could be a huge boost for onshore wind, offshore wind, hydro, and solar in Massachusetts. Brian Everlasting (talk) 18:02, 2 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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[Closed] RD: Queen Anne of Romania

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Not sufficiently improved. Stephen 07:33, 7 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Queen Anne of Romania (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Reuters
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
 EugεnS¡m¡on 16:21, 1 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, there is a "move" debate underway as to whether to move/rename the article to her title as Princess. MurielMary (talk) 11:19, 3 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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[Closed, removed from Ongoing] Yerevan (move from Ongoing to blurb)

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Had it's time and removed from Ongoing; no need to recycle as a full, stale blurb. Stephen 07:31, 7 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: 2016 Yerevan hostage crisis (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A hostage siege in Yerevan, Armenia ends after two weeks. (Post)
News source(s): [31]
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Article updated
 Over now. Am proposing a move from ongoing to a blurb.Lihaas (talk) 15:24, 1 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comment updated #Crisis ends section beyond minimum requirement.Lihaas (talk) 20:24, 1 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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