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State of the monthly lists (updated)
[edit]Reposting and updating since the previous one was archived. wxtrackercody (talk · contributions) 03:41, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
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United States
No lists from 2001 to 2006, excluding outbreak articles.
No lists from 1991 to 1999, excluding outbreak articles.
No lists from 1984 to 1989, excluding outbreak articles.
No lists from 1974 to 1981, excluding outbreak articles.
No lists from 1955 to 1972, excluding outbreak articles.
No lists for 1953, excluding outbreak articles.
No lists from 1947 to 1949, excluding outbreak articles. Canada No lists for 2024, excluding outbreak articles.
No lists from 1946 to 2022, excluding outbreak articles and the List of Canadian tornadoes and tornado outbreaks and its sub articles. Europe
No list for 2023.
No lists from 2015 to 2021, excluding outbreak articles.
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@Wxtrackercody, ChessEric, and Mjeims: I think these lists could all use good lead sections to provide a sort of summary of the month/months instead of just the one or two liners we usually have. A 2008 list doesn't even have any lead. I'm currently working on 2011, so I will try to write good sections for those lists. United States Man (talk) 04:47, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
- @United States Man: Gladly. But what do you mean by a "lead"? All articles listed here have a short description describing that the article lists the list of tornadoes in a certain kind of month/multiple month period. I guess I understand for the older years, like the 1950's, where a yearly description could be useful, but in the others, other than reformatting to omit the "Ref" column, I don't know what else can be done. Mjeims (talk) 13:10, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
- @Mjeims: United States Man is not talking about the short description template; he's talking about making a lead that describes the events that occurred in the months that list article includes. For example, the format I use modern list articles is to say what the page is, put the average number of tornadoes for each given month, describe the tornado activity for the given months, and mention whether or not it was above or below average. It will be tough to do these for the years prior to the 1990s (which is the cutoff we use when it comes to the most accurate number of tornadoes), but I think it can be done. ChessEric (talk · contribs) 14:48, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
Requested move at Talk:December 2021 Midwest derecho and tornado outbreak#Requested move 23 May 2024
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There is a requested move discussion at Talk:December 2021 Midwest derecho and tornado outbreak#Requested move 23 May 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 11:46, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
Reformatting Canadian tornadoes (both articles)
[edit]Hello all, I've never posted here before, but I just wanted to run this past everyone on the WikiProject because I know this is hardly the highest thing on the to-do list. I've been looking into both articles on Canadian tornadoes (before 2001 and after 2001) and for some reason, the current formatting just appears very sloppy to me and I think it could easily be cleaned up. My primary suggestion for change in each article would be to change the current list of tornadoes to a table, possibly within their own section by century or even by decades, if needed depending on the number.
(For example, pre-1700-1860 doesn't have many tornadoes at all and could reasonably fit onto one table without being overloaded, whereas 1870-1890 the number of tornadoes recorded greatly increases.)
I have a whole table planned out in my head about this, but I don't want to overshare everything unless other people think this is a good idea. Thanks! Garriefisher (talk) 22:16, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
- Hi there, welcome! You're right that things seem disorganized. We have:
- So yea, it seems like there's some overlap. The US has tornadoes mostly on a monthly basis, and has lists for each state. The US lists do use tables, even going back to List of United States tornadoes in 1946. I'll note that there is a discussion to split off Canadian tornadoes for the 2020s. So I support that, and encourage further splitting by decade where necessary. As for whether it should be organized by table or not. As it stands, it seems that most tornadoes are single events, and not part of large outbreaks, so I don't know about organizing the content into tables. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 22:29, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you for your response! Honestly, I thought that categorizing the lists (based on province, fatalities, F or EF rating mostly) would make it easier for readers & users of Wikipedia to be able to easily navigate a huge list of information that might not be as easy to parse through. It might just be my personal aesthetics and inability to concentrate, but I think that it would make it easier to pick out the information specifically that you're looking for.
- Also, yes, I commented on the split for 2020s a month or more ago (honestly cannot remember when) and while I support that, I think I phrased my original comment incorrectly. I don't mean to separate the tornadoes into separate articles by decade, I just mean (in the case that we were using a table), separate tables under decade headers to make it easier to navigate as well. I don't know if I'm making any sense here but I just mean, keeping the 1700-2001 article intact, with tables under decade categories on the article itself. Hopefully that clears it up? Garriefisher (talk) 23:04, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
- Yea, you're making sense. I agree with a header to navigate, but does it have to be a table, or would a link to each year work? The latter option would be easier, and easy options tend to happen on Wikipedia. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 23:09, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
- No, it for certain doesn't have to be a table! Just that it's my own personal preference aesthetics-wise, while it's not easier. I mean, I don't mind creating the table even if it is harder, I'm autistic like I have the time, believe me. But if you think it isn't a good idea, I totally respect that as well! Garriefisher (talk) 23:12, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
- Hah nice, then let me direct you to List of Australia tornadoes, which has just the type of table you're talking about. If you'd like to try it out, maybe do the events since 2020, since that's where the proposed new list would start. You can always make a sandbox by calling the article Draft:List of Canadian tornadoes and tornado outbreaks in the 2020s, or something like that. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 23:18, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
- No, it for certain doesn't have to be a table! Just that it's my own personal preference aesthetics-wise, while it's not easier. I mean, I don't mind creating the table even if it is harder, I'm autistic like I have the time, believe me. But if you think it isn't a good idea, I totally respect that as well! Garriefisher (talk) 23:12, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
- Yea, you're making sense. I agree with a header to navigate, but does it have to be a table, or would a link to each year work? The latter option would be easier, and easy options tend to happen on Wikipedia. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 23:09, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
Requested move at Talk:2013 Washington, Illinois tornado#Requested move 20 August 2024
[edit]There is a requested move discussion at Talk:2013 Washington, Illinois tornado#Requested move 20 August 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 06:23, 28 August 2024 (UTC)