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Yasmin Lucas[edit]

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This article about a Brazilian singer covers the subject's early career as a child / teenage performer but not the later appearance as a contestant on The Voice Brasil, performing by then as Lais Yasmin. Although this article instance is sourced only to primary social media, its basic details are verifiable in this 2018 online article associated with The Voice appearance. However I don't see the evidence needed to meet the WP:MUSICBIO notability criteria. AllyD (talk) 09:30, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: Also adding a source search for the subject's later performing name. AllyD (talk) 09:33, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Cary Brown[edit]

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This article fails the WP:GNG and WP:NOTEWORTHY guidelines for WP:BLP because she is a local official who has not received significant coverage beyond what is expected for a local elected official. In addition, this article has in the past been suspected of WP:COI editing and no changes or improvements to the article have been made since the COI tag was placed on the article. Go4thProsper (talk) 21:47, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Discussion page was created without the {{afd2}} template, was not transcluded to a daily log, and created under an incorrect title. @Go4thProsper: For future nominations, please fully follow the instructions at WP:AFDHOWTO. As for my own view, the subject appears to clearly fail WP:NPOL, but I haven’t researched enough yet for a more formal !vote. --Finngall ^talk 23:42, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Jen Dodds[edit]

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No evidence of notability for this footballer. The only sources are a pair of interviews with some routine coverage interspersed, as well as the BBC piece with two sentences of independent coverage. My searches did not yield much else. JTtheOG (talk) 02:41, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Magdalena Leska[edit]

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Fails WP:NSKATE; medal placement at the junior level or bronze/silver medals at the national championships do not meet the requirements of WP:NSKATE. Google search turns up nothing outside of wikis and scoring databases. Previous AFD received zero arguments in favor of keeping this article that cited any evidence of notability. Bgsu98 (Talk) 02:18, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hayley Anne Sacks[edit]

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Fails WP:NSKATE; medal placement at the junior level or bronze/silver medals at the national championships do not meet the requirements of WP:NSKATE. Google search turns up nothing outside of wikis and scoring databases. Previous AFD received zero arguments in favor of keeping this article that cited any evidence of notability. Bgsu98 (Talk) 02:11, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Amy Thomas[edit]

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This was previously deleted as a different person. Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT and only primary sources provided. LibStar (talk) 21:42, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - there's no participation-based guideline for handball players and I can't find any WP:SIGCOV. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 22:06, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: I am unable to find anything approaching WP:SIGCOV. JTtheOG (talk) 04:23, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Calabar Chic[edit]

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Fails WP:NACTOR or WP:GNG. There’s in short, no piece that is independent of the subject to establish notability. BEFORE does not provide anything different. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 17:32, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to List_of_Nigerian_actors#Actresses: she has some credits in films and coverage, although including a lot of interviews (but a lot, and in various media), allow to verify she's a Nigerian actress who might have a certain notoriety. Hence this WP:ATD -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 19:37, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

-->Changing to Keep per WP:HEY thanks to the work of User:Ahola .O since nomination, including sources showing a certain notability as comedian.

Delete Limited coverage, no evidence she meets the guidelines. Not in favour of redirection, per WP:LISTPURP and no point redirecting to a page where she isn't mentioned. Mdann52 (talk) 18:26, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Antonia Gallegos[edit]

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Poorly sourced rhythmic gymnast. I could not find anything approaching WP:SIGCOV. Contested PROD. JTtheOG (talk) 08:45, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Lisa Solberg[edit]

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Article is technically ineligible for a G5, because it got hit by two different UPE socks editing in violation of their respective blocks, and technically ineligible for PROD due to being deleted by PROD before (and, before that, speedied twice).

Subject themselves does not appear significant- out all all the sources, [1] is an interview(by which I mean it's a scan or a print-out she filled in in blue ballpoint), [2] is a site selling her art, [3] is an interview, [4] is from a gallery displaying her art(she was their 'Artist in Resident' at the time of publication), [5] mentions her once in a list, [6] is a link to two interviews, [7] is an interview, [8] is the same as 2 (and still selling her art), [9] is an interview, [10] is her own site, [11] is a video interview, [12] is an interview, [13] is about her art installation, not her, [14] is about her art show, not her, [15] and [16] are the same interviews earlier, this time individually linked, [17] is about a different artist's exhibit that she painted fireworks for(not sigcov worthy fireworks), [18] actually has a paragraph on her (again, not rising to sigcov), [19] has a whole two paragraphs (best source so far), [20] is an announcement of a talk she will give, [21] mentions her work for about two sentences (but is mostly about other artists- but also the second best source), [22] is about an art exhibit, not her, and the Facebook events link is a link on Facebook for an event she planned. I have looked around for additional sources, and haven't found any that would help the subject meet the WP:GNG. And, given that there were two users blocked for likely UPE and socking looking very hard to find such sources, I don't see myself finding any they've missed.

She doesn't appear to meet WP:NARTIST, because the three pieces about her work don't show that she's widely cited or influential, gotten known for originating a new concept, theory, or technique, that she has a major work (or body of works). Her work also hasn't been incorporated into any significant monuments, significant exhibitions, been in a permanent collection or garnered much critical reception. GreenLipstickLesbian (talk) 08:05, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: No listing in the Getty ULAN and all I can find is an article in her school's paper [23]. Source analysis above is good, I don't find anything extra we can use to keep the article. Oaktree b (talk) 12:22, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I suspect the photo is a copyvio, but can't find anything else on the web about it. UPE and paid promotion seem to use copyvio photos here... Oaktree b (talk) 12:27, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: doesn't meet Wikipedia notability guidelines EncyclopediaEditorXIV (talk) 17:54, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete The nomination does an excellent job laying it out and this is an easy call for deletion. Not notable. Go4thProsper (talk) 21:12, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fleur Revell[edit]

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There's not much significant coverage of Fleur Revell published in multiple secondary and reliable sources. None of the conditions outlined in the notability guideline for creative professionals apply in her case. There are many articles that mention her in the context of her affair but it isn't significant coverage. She has supposedly won 3 Qantas awards yet there is no evidence of that online and the claim is unreferenced. There might be proof in print and not online since she probably received them in the 90's. If that cannot be proved, there is not much to base her notability on. Certainly not the affair. Ynsfial (talk) 08:07, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Independent reliable sources with significant coverage exist but they are largely off-line publications from 1990s. I have added several such off-line citations.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 02:07, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: not enough significant coverage EncyclopediaEditorXIV (talk) 17:54, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep You don’t win three Qantas Media Awards without getting some attention. That happened at a time for which we have few online sources, though. Schwede 66 19:12, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, some of the sourcing amounts to OR. Interviews don't establish notability. Only source that can establish notability is this article: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/no-idea-what-next-for-fleur/NHVADVZ4KX5NZRLJFUHGB3PUBA/ The rest of the sources being not about her, interviews, or non-independent PR releases, and I fail to see GNG being met. I'd even argue the Qantas Media Awards fail GNG too, don't really see any independent coverage of that either. Traumnovelle (talk) 00:00, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep there is some relatively negative reporting around her relationship with Paul Holmes in a couple of national newspapers and her departure from New Idea is also covered. I think more work needs to be done researching her and agree with Swede's view that her attaining three Qantas Media awards, in itsself, is sufficient to meet notability. I accept that a reference to properly establish this is necessary but that will take some time and research as the papers of the time are not online. NealeWellington (talk) 22:13, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lucia Arrascaeta[edit]

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Draftify as I am unable to find enough coverage of this rhythmic gymnast to meet WP:GNG. JTtheOG (talk) 23:47, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Catherine Swift[edit]

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Fails notability (WP:N), verifiability (WP:V), and what Wikipedia is not (WP:NOT). The article has made no progress in years, research shows no potential to rectify. Spagooder (talk) 17:08, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete This seems like an easy call. No claim to notability and the article lacks supporting citations adequate to justify a Wiki article. Easy delete. Go4thProsper (talk) 20:24, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Annalena Ley[edit]

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Poorly sourced gymnast. I am unable to find enough coverage to meet WP:GNG; this is what I did come across. JTtheOG (talk) 21:44, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Not enough coverage of this individual, outside of the Olympics website. [24]. I don't see enough sourcing to build an article. Oaktree b (talk) 23:29, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: I vote to delete this article for now due to the lack of reliable sources. However, if more information becomes available in the future, the article could be recreated. Waqar💬 17:18, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Raba Khan[edit]

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Being in the list of a 30 people for a region doesn't mean we have to create an article for each of them. May be she is a celebrity but not notable to be in Wikipedia like the other youtubers. No independent notability other than being a youtuber. AlbeitPK (talk) 06:02, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Being in the list of a 30 people for a region doesn't mean we have to create an article for each of them. No, we do not have articles for each of them.
The nom seems to be focused on the subject rather than individual. Regardless what they're known for, if they receive enough notable coverage, they are notable. And this person most definitely passes GNG regardless of the causes. It's not limited to a one-off event (the Forbes list) but sustained coverage exist for this individual.
No independent notability other than being a YouTuber That's the most illogical rationale I've ever seen on an AFD nom. We have thousands of biographies on YouTubers. Since when, YouTubers aren't notable solely based on the fact that they are YouTubers? It all comes down to coverage, if they fulfill the notability criteria, they are notable.
And even if taking this fallacy into consideration just for the sake of it, this person has received coverage for other ventures outside their digital content creation on YouTube. YouTube contributed to their initial fame but from then on she has received coverage for other activities such as vlogs on Facebook or media collaborations, UNICEF activities, writing, singing, modeling, etc. X (talk) 21:01, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@AlbeitPK, I'm inviting you to do a complete source analysis. You clearly did not practice WP:BEFORE, which is not a surprise, you being an inexperienced user. As a friendly advice, I'd urge you to spend more time on article creation and expansion before hopping onto AFD. Familiarize yourself with the policies and when you get a good grip you may participate in these spaces.
Albeit being largely primary, the Ice Today piece alone is a clear indication of notability. And independent in-depth coverage do exist. Sources are available in Bengali exist as well, all of which are not included in the article, but I'll be happy to list them if one asks. X (talk) 21:07, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Source analysis:

This is essentially just a paragaph mentioning she posted a video.
Daily Star 30-under-30 #1 has a good paragraph describing her
A short interview with a little more significant commentary
Daily Sun 30-under-30 article doesn't say much other than republishing the announcement
An entire article on her, which is probably sourced from an interview, but the newspaper is the one making statements so I think it's valid.
Another 4 good paragraphs in the Forbes list
BBC Bengali mention in review of Facebook influencers, only a little but it is there
More Daily Star coverage under being a 30-under-30 winner
Article on her, though whether the Vanity Star is a reliable source I don't know
The interview mentioned, which is very long but primary. Good for the article, but probably doesn't establish notability (but the other sources probably do)
Short article

Plus:

So, while a lot of the coverage is just tiny 5-sentence mentions, she does seem to be notable (according to these things) in Bengali online media. The book and the popularity probably push her over "random youtuber", and I think the last two sources + the interview + the forbes list and associated sources all together meet the significant coverage criteria. Mrfoogles (talk) 00:54, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for this. Yes, almost all the sources that discusses her starts with something like "Famous social media personality" or "Popular content creator", etc. She also has been the subject of at least 5 full length talk show interviews by the countries largest media Prothom Alo alone. They also dedicated entire episodes of shows on her lifestyle (one about "What's Raba Khan shopping this Eid"). And numerous national and international magazine features. Everything combined speaks for her notability. It appears the nominator is an inexperienced editor, hence they do not have a good grasp over Wiki notability guidelines. I won't say I'm always right, but this is the first WIR article (2nd overall) created by me that has been brought to AFD (I'm taking a Wiki break but had to respond here when I saw the mail, NGL, the nom rationale is ridiculous.) X (talk) 14:52, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Thank you for the source analysis Mrfoogles. I am content that on the basis of those sources the subject meets WP:N. Spinifex&Sand (talk) 02:55, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: Per source analysis above. PARAKANYAA (talk) 05:11, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Crien Bolhuis-Schilstra[edit]

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I can't find evidence of notability, the only indepth source is this, published by Scouting.nl, i.e. the organisation she worked for (not an independent source). The other sources are primary sources or passing mentions. Fram (talk) 08:40, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge into section of Vereeniging Nederlandsch Indische Padvinders, removing biographical info, keeping the scouting CV, POW information. The content is notable, even if the author is not notable enough. -Bogger (talk) 10:46, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep There are sufficient details here to merit keeping the article. --evrik ^(talk) 13:36, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That's not a policy based reason to keep or delete articles. Which sources are independent and indepth? Fram (talk) 13:43, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: Well referenced figure, historically notable. –DMartin 02:15, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: Subject is notable and reliably sourced. WC gudang inspirasi (^{Read! Talk!}) 14:32, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: My vote is obviously to keep it; I wrote the article as I deemed it historically significant and notable. Cflam01 (talk) 14:51, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It would be nice if anyone would actually address the nomination, and indicate which sources are (as required) independent of the subject and giving indepth coverage. The only indepth coverage I see is from a Dutch scouting site, so not independent (an organisation writing about aspects of its own history). Fram (talk) 15:03, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as a clear WP:GNG failure. Without any sources that support notability, it is unclear if and how much content should be moved to Vereeniging Nederlandsch Indische Padvinders (correctly identified as a potential target by Bogger). So a BIG NO to merge. Redirect isn't right either, as Bolhuis-Schilstra was not organically included in the body of the target (only as possible other reading). Hence this should default to delete. Thanks to Fram for nominating. By no means the first time we see excessive Dutch scouting biographies. gidonb (talk) 19:00, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

BTW, this article is the best I could find, and isn't good enough: „Mijn leven in Indië", door een oudleerlinge van de Koloniale school.. "Haagsche courant". 's-Gravenhage, 11-03-1937. Geraadpleegd op Delpher op 16-06-2024, https://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=MMKB04:000149139:mpeg21:p018 gidonb (talk) 21:23, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Salem K. Meera[edit]

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No sources, no claim of or sources for notability — Iadmc ♫^talk 20:42, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Only mention is in Wikipedia rip-off sites and this youtube channel https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCCro0duFrlz7wjS9wr0g0AA with less than 100 views on each video. I see no reason to keep this article. [Unsigned by User:Spiralwidget]
Delete: This article lacks reliable sources, it's difficult to assess the article's credibility. I vote for deletion. Waqar💬 16:31, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lauren Evans (Scottish footballer)[edit]

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Evans potentially fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTBASIC #5 and the article fails to present any acceptable independent sources. The best that I could find was Daily Record, which has 2 quotes from her, an image caption and a passing mention. That's not enough for GNG. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 18:48, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:54, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Shannon Mulligan[edit]

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No evidence of notability for this footballer; the only sources are a pair of interviews and a YouTube video. Contested PROD. JTtheOG (talk) 18:32, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:54, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Natasha Frew[edit]

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I am unable to find enough in-depth coverage of the subject, a Scottish women's footballer, to meet WP:GNG. The sources provided do not establish notability. Contested PROD. JTtheOG (talk) 18:23, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:54, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Molly Reeve[edit]

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No evidence of notability for this footballer; the only sources are a pair of interviews with some routine coverage interspersed. Contested PROD. JTtheOG (talk) 18:21, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete due to a lack of notability, as it does not meet Wikipedia's general notability guidelines for biographies.--Welcome to Pandora (talk) 10:01, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:53, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Amanda Ross (equestrian)[edit]

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Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT and WP:NOLY. A search in Google news only found equestrian related sources which are not third party. LibStar (talk) 18:20, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: A few articles about her [25], here [26] and an interview with background info here [27]. Not a slam dunk, but more info than we typically see for Olympians here. Oaktree b (talk) 20:04, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: The sources from Oaktree b seem to meet the WP:GNG. Let'srun (talk) 14:31, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Charlotte Ferguson[edit]

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No evidence of notability, only sources are a database, a blog, and a local interview about the club, not an article about her. Fram (talk) 07:08, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 13:26, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: I am unable to find enough coverage to meet WP:GNG. JTtheOG (talk) 04:44, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:53, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ursula Münzner-Linder[edit]

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Delete: Fails NMUSICIAN and reliable sourcing to confirm notability. Tkaras1 (talk) 02:03, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Only reliable and accessible sourcing I could find by Google search was this link, which alone does not seem sufficient. Her name is apparently not even spelled correctly! Tkaras1 (talk) 02:06, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Alina Dragnea[edit]

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As an autobiography, this should at least be considered for deletion. — Biruitorul ^Talk 22:54, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Very PROMO for a music graduate. This isn't a site for your CV. I don't find anything about this individual, [28] all hits are on this unrelated person. Oaktree b (talk) 01:03, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I am an experienced opera singer from Romania with 10 years experience singing leading roles at opera houses and I have already sung in four opera houses in the country and many projects abroad. What you suggest is that I am something of a 20 years old graduate with no experience, which cancels my whole life work...

The article simply states my achievements as an artist. It is not written in a manner of praising, but of informing the public about my career as an artist, with all the details where I have sung and exactly which roles. I have seen many articles about other romanian opea singers written in a more laudative way. I have just presented my achievements, with links to the website of the opera houses where it clearly states the production, the whole cast, including my name and all the deatils about the productions. I have also provided links to the posters for some performances. I'm not sure why you see it as promo.

If you look at the pages of other romanian opera singers, some of them provided less information than I did and got accepted. I am not sure what I should change to the article to make it right. Perhaps you can give me more adivce.

Thank you. Alina.Mezzo (talk) 09:17, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

To give an example. Working on your judgement. How are these actors Florence Hunt and Will Tilston eligible for a wikipedia page, judging by the fact that they have not even graduated from an acting university and their experience in the field is just a few episodes, playing a small role in a series and my experience as an opera singer does't count? Why am I just a graduate who seeks promotion and their articles are ok?

Why are the wiki pages of https://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irina_Baian%C8%9B https://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silvia_Sorina_Munteanu , https://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madeleine_Pascu , https://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ionel_Voineag https://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ioan_Hotea just to name a few, allowed to exist and mine has to be deleted?

Most of them are colleagues of mine from when we attended the University of Music in Bucharest or older colleagues from the opera houses in Romania where I am frequently invited. Why they can keep their page and mine will be deleted? I have provided just as much or even more information and references than some of them.

It is unjust for me. Alina.Mezzo (talk) 10:51, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also you wrote that you couldn't find informations about me as an individual...or artist on the internet.

You can find informations about me on operabase, which is the most important platform for opera singers and they verify thoroughly at the opera houses all the informations about the performances and the cast before publishing: https://www.operabase.com/alina-dragnea-a105090/ro , or at the Career Center of the University of Music and Performing Arts Vienna https://www.mdw.ac.at/ccenter/mdwArtists/artist.php?id=53 or here on Brasov Opera House page on Facebook, https://www.facebook.com/operabrasovoficial/photos/invitat%C4%83-pentru-prima-oar%C4%83-pe-scena-operei-bra%C8%99ov-mezzosoprana-alina-dragnea-va-/7317962614941752/?locale=ms_MY&_rdr

Also you can find informations on my official website: www.alinadragnea.com Alina.Mezzo (talk) 11:21, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. If the reviews at the reviews page of her website are from reliable sources, they would contribute towards notability. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 02:56, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps, but those would need to be verified; the subject can write whatever she wants on her personal site, regardless of veracity. Biruitorul ^Talk 05:32, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Here are the links of some very important romanian newspapers, discussing my performances. I don't see why my wiki page would not be eligible.

https://www.ziaruldeiasi.ro/stiri/spectacolul-excelentei-muzicale-la-iasi-iv-trubadurul-premiera-2--350893.html , https://adevarul.ro/blogurile-adevarul/vedete-actuale-si-viitoare-in-salile-de-spectacol-2336412.html , https://adevarul.ro/blogurile-adevarul/opera-live-in-aer-liber-la-castelul-corvinilor-sau-2108521.html orhttps://agenda.liternet.ro/articol/25507/Virgil-Oprina/Trubadurul-de-la-Castelul-Corvinilor-la-Opera-Nights-2021.html Alina.Mezzo (talk) 09:23, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I can post the links to https://www.ziaruldeiasi.ro/stiri/spectacolul-excelentei-muzicale-la-iasi-iv-trubadurul-premiera-2--350893.html , https://adevarul.ro/blogurile-adevarul/vedete-actuale-si-viitoare-in-salile-de-spectacol-2336412.html , https://adevarul.ro/blogurile-adevarul/opera-live-in-aer-liber-la-castelul-corvinilor-sau-2108521.html orhttps://agenda.liternet.ro/articol/25507/Virgil-Oprina/Trubadurul-de-la-Castelul-Corvinilor-la-Opera-Nights-2021.html on my wikipdia page if it helps. They are well known newspapers from Romania, discussing my performances. Alina.Mezzo (talk) 09:07, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Why other opera singers are entitled to have a wikipedia page and I am not? What is different about my page? On their pages I see exactly the same informations: studies, career, roles... Alina.Mezzo (talk) 09:19, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Those are in another language version of wikipedia, we only consider the English one here. If you feel there are other articles that should not be in wikipedia, feel free to nominate them for deletion. The other pages present likely have at least three articles in what we consider reliable sources that discuss the individuals, but I have not reviewed them so can't comment. Oaktree b (talk) 13:08, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I mentioned other articles on wikipedia, similar to mine, with similar artists, to show that theirs was considered fine, even with less informations than I have provided and mine is to be deleted. I didn't know that if they are in another language than english, they are not reviewed very strictly.

I don't want the other pages deleted, it's their right to exist and inform people about the artists. I just think that if some pages with far less information can exist, mine should exist as well and not be deleted. However I will try to read more about the rules of wikipedia posting. I am not sure in how much time I can try to make it right until it gets deleted. Alina.Mezzo (talk) 13:52, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Other language Wikipedias aren't as strict with notability or inclusion criteria as the English one, so what might not qualify for inclusion on the English Wikipedia might be considered notable in other languages. As Oaktree b says, what articles exist in other language Wikipedias is irrelevant here. Procyon117 (talk) 15:34, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It is not a laudative autobiography. It is just facts. I don's see why it should be deleted. Alina.Mezzo (talk) 09:20, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How do you know that this article https://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ionel_Voineag or this https://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marina_Krilovici https://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irina_Baian%C8%9B https://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madeleine_Pascu https://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silvia_Sorina_Munteanu just to name a few are not autobiographies?

It is very possible that they themselves have written the informations on their pages. And it makes sense, because they have all the diplomas, posters from their performances and all the data about themselves.

I don't see why my article has to be deleted, when many other articles about other romanian singers are eligible to exist on wikipedia. I have posted a reference for every performance that I have sung in by posting a link to the opera house or festival etc where the performance took place, where my name can be found in the cast, as well as what I sang and on which dates, I have posted refernces as links to posters of the events, I have backed up all the information. It is not an eulogistic article, it is just an informative one, for the public to know my achievements as an artist. I think deletion of my page is unfair, judging by the fact that other romanian opera singers have wikipedia pages that they may have written themselves and some of them provided less information than I have provided. And we should all be allowed to have the pages. Because they are very informative for the public and for the media. Alina.Mezzo (talk) 11:00, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: This article is linking mentions of the singer as if that establishes notability, but this standard would enable everyone on a playbill to qualify for an article. It's possible that WP:NOTABILITY could be met, but it's not been established here. For @Alina.Mezzo, you need to see the WP:WP:NOTABOUTYOU and WP:COI. You aren't a reliable source for establishing your own notability, and it may be possible for you to demonstrate it with sources but "Why do they get one and I don't?" will always be met with our notability and sourcing standards. Nobody is trying to denigrate your success with this, but it reads promotionally to a lot of people here. Warrenᚋᚐᚊᚔ 13:06, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your reply. I will read more about the rules of posting an article on wikipedia. From a logical point of view I thought that referencing most of the performances and informations in the article, is what establishes notability.

I still fail to understand the promotional ideology regarding my article. All articles about opera singers mention the studies that they have, the awards, the performances...exactly the kind of informations that I have provided and are not considered promotional. For example this wiki article : Valentina Nafornița shows exactly the studies, the performances and the awards and other notable facts about this singer. Why her wiki page is not promotional? It even promotes her album. I'm asking why the information on her page is not considered promo and mine is. It's almost exactly the same type of information. I don't understand the reason.

I will read all about wp and wp:coi and I'll try to fulfill all the required informations.

I am not sure how much time I have to do the research until the page gets deleted.

Thank you! Alina.Mezzo (talk) 14:03, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I still fail to understand the promotional ideology regarding my article.

There's no ideology, and you need to read WP:BLUDGEON and take a bit of a step back from this AfD, I think we all understand your perspective here, respectfully. You need to establish notability per Wikipedia's standards, not just point at other articles. And the above singer has coverage from the BBC, for example. There may be promotional-looking material in there that needs to be removed, but the standards are based off of WP:NOTABILITY and WP:RS, not what other articles have. Warrenᚋᚐᚊᚔ 15:11, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding WP:Bludgeon, I didn't attempt to force any point of view. I was discussing. It's simple for somebody to suggest the deletion of the page in a few words. I needed to state my logic on this matter so I needed more words to bring more arguments. I am new to wikipedia. I thought I have to respond to every editor and discuss the matter.

I have read on WP:Notability that I need to put in the article sources independent of myself. The websites from the opera houses and the websites from the newspapers are independent of me. I have no other information, apart from the official websites of opera houses and newspapers. If those are not good enough, there's no point in trying to edit the page anymore.

I have tried to read all the articles about posting but it is simply too much information to comprehend about using this website and every page or term leads to another so I will simply stop trying.

You can delete the page. Alina.Mezzo (talk) 17:08, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nobody is trying to run you off Wikipedia, and I don’t think anyone was trying to give you too much to read intentionally, but not making an article about yourself is a pretty important norm on Wikipedia, as is not turning a discussion page not going your way into a debate.

I understand where you’re coming from here, but unless you can meet the independent sourcing standards for notability then it doesn’t matter too much what the discussion actually ends up being. If you think you can provide those sources that may change some minds here, but not much else will. I do hope you’ll consider sticking around and helping improve some of the other opera articles after a little bit of learning the rules and norms of Wikipedia, though. I imagine it’s not a topic we get much expertise on here. Warrenᚋᚐᚊᚔ 06:51, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Not only is it an autobiography, which constitues a conflict of interest, but the formatting and bolding aren't really helping here either. Procyon117 (talk) 15:32, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Anybody that would write my biography would write the absolute same informations: the universities from where I have gratuated, the roles that I have sung and at which operas and the prizes that I have been awarded with. It's not like I have written the information from my point of view or something that is too appreciative about me. It's just facts.

I don't know what you mean by the formattin. I have followed the same structure of any page of any person that I have seen before: introduction, studies, career, etc and regarding bolding, I didn't know I shouldn't use it. I don't know how am I supposed to know these things. When I made the accound I have just seen a blank page and some tools and I started writing.

I do not wish to go on with this article. I feel that I am forced to prove myself for no reason, when all I did was state some facts. Alina.Mezzo (talk) 17:15, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Maria Rabinky[edit]

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None of the information in this article is sourced, the "references" are just links to Rabinky's artwork. A Google search only produces links to websites selling her artwork, although I did find this press release on Google News about a distinction she seems to have won. I'm unsure of its notability. In any case, I haven't found anything else. (NB: Sorry for resubmitting, was interrupted when I did it the first time and it was deleted.) WikiFouf (talk) 02:32, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete, it's basically a CV/resumé, of a busy artist with a knack for self-publicity, but with no evidence of meeting WP:GNG or WP:NARTIST Sionk (talk) 18:52, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete This artist does not meet WP:NARTIST. She has not been a substantial part of a significant exhibition, or won significant critical attention, or been represented within the permanent collections of any notable galleries or museums. Seems more like WP:PROMO --WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 00:49, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete purely promotional as written. SportingFlyer T·C 05:56, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom and above lacks indepth coverage fails WP:NARTIST and WP:GNG.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 13:29, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Vhairi Munro[edit]

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No evidence of notability for this footballer; the only independent source is an interview. Contested PROD. JTtheOG (talk) 17:01, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 20:27, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - no decent independent coverage yet. The Daily Record piece has a few quotes but it's not enough coverage of Munro herself to justify her having her own article. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 18:43, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Raewyn Murphy[edit]

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No evidence of notability for this footballer; the only independent source of note is an interview. Contested PROD. JTtheOG (talk) 16:13, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 20:27, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bryony Ross[edit]

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I am unable to find anything approaching WP:SIGCOV for this Scottish women's footballer -- fails WP:GNG. Contested PROD. JTtheOG (talk) 16:10, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 20:27, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - the Daily Record piece doesn't contain enough non-quote content on Ross and I can't find anything else. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 22:25, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Eilidh Begg[edit]

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WP:TOOSOON for an article for this young footballer. The Perthshire Advertiser piece already in the article is the closest to WP:SIGCOV I was able to find. Contested PROD. JTtheOG (talk) 16:07, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 13:21, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 20:27, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pamela Meyer Davis[edit]

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WP:BLP1E. Could easily be merged into Rod Blagojevich corruption charges. LilianaUwU ^{(talk / contributions)} 05:27, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge into Rod Blagojevich corruption charges per WP:BLP1E. Fails WP:GNG, standalone page not warranted. Sal2100 (talk) 21:06, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Abby Cunnane[edit]

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Fails WP:AUTHOR and WP:BIO. A mere 5 google news hits, none are in-depth coverage. LibStar (talk) 00:35, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: The Stuff article is all I find [29], no book reviews or no listing in the Getty ULAN. Lack of sourcing. Oaktree b (talk) 13:22, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jennifer Parlevliet[edit]

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Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT and WP:NOLY. She did not even complete the individual event. LibStar (talk) 00:12, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: I can only find the Olympic site for her [30]. Nothing else. No sources found in .au news sites. Oaktree b (talk) 01:03, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete doesn't meet WP:NSPORT --Here2rewrite (talk) 20:36, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Unable to find any WP:SIGCOV to meet the WP:GNG for this subject. Let'srun (talk) 22:54, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jana Jamnicky[edit]

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Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT and WP:NOLY. It should also be noted Australia only got to play handball in 2000 Olympics as host nation. They lost every game. LibStar (talk) 23:55, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: I am unable to find enough coverage to meet WP:GNG. Ping me if sources are found. JTtheOG (talk) 19:06, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Handball at the 2000 Summer Olympics – Women's team rosters: Subject lacks the needed WP:SIGCOV to meet the WP:GNG. All of the sources in the article are primary and a WP:BEFORE didn't reveal anything better. Redirect as a WP:ATD. Let'srun (talk) 14:44, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Fails GNG. Not really any history worth preserving as it's all just a rephrasing of a database. (Except for the family connection, which should be mentioned at her daughter's future(?) page because the daughter seems more accomplished, among others a 5th place at the PAG.) Furthermore, Jamnicky and many of the other 2000 Olympic players played at the 1999 World Women's Handball Championship as well, making it less clear where to redirect to, although the Olympics were on home ground. Geschichte (talk) 21:54, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with above. Whilst she played in the 1999 world championships, Australia lost all their games there as well. The performance of this team is quite insignificant. LibStar (talk) 00:22, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rachel Walkingshaw[edit]

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Scottish women's footballer that fails WP:GNG. The She Kicks and Daily Record references already in the article are the closest to WP:SIGCOV I could find, and they each have just a few sentences of routine coverage. JTtheOG (talk) 23:14, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 19:16, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Angela Bogdan[edit]

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Ambassadors are not inherently notable. Besides the first Google news hit, the rest of the coverage I found was not in depth. Fails WP:BIO. LibStar (talk) 19:07, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete, as indicated by LibStar, ambassadors are not inheritably notable - lacks any evidence of notable achievements either in that role or prior to their appointment. Cited references just confirm the individual's appointment nothing else. Dan arndt (talk) 01:35, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I couldn't find any notable events in their career as an ambassador, and none are mentioned in the references either.

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Delete, fails WP:BIO due to a lack of in-depth coverage in reliable, independent, secondary sources.

Ossanda Liber[edit]

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I know it has only been two months since the last nomination but that ended as no consensus, which was not an endorsement of notability. There has been another nationwide election since then and this candidate is still getting under 0.5%. There are sources about her, yes, but they're mainly discussing her candidacies and are part of a WP:ROUTINE coverage expected in a democracy. Some other parties are mainly based around the founder, such as Vox and Chega, but those parties have hundreds of other office holders and the founders have their own individual notability as office holders and nationally recognisable figures. Apart from being an unsuccessful candidate, what can be said about Liber that isn't about her party? The page used to have information about education and children, which I removed as unsourced per BLP. I also removed the blow-by-blow of setting up a political party, as that's obviously more about the organisation than about her. But the thing is, would we ever need to know personal information about someone this notable? I saw the comment before that Liber is notable as a founder and leader of a political party, but in a democracy it's reasonably easy to set up a party, and extremely easy to be the leader of your own party. Unknown Temptation (talk) 16:55, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Liber's electoral history: 2021 Lisbon local election (0.36%), 2022 national election (voters in other European countries constituency) (0.08%), 2024 national election (Lisbon constituency) (0.18%), 2024 European election (0.18%). Not sure at which point someone becomes notable the hard way, like Bill Boaks. Unknown Temptation (talk) 16:55, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Tagging all previous commenters: AusLondonder Moondragon21 PamD SportingFlyer BlakeIsHereStudios Prima.Vera.Paula Unknown Temptation (talk) 16:55, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - I translated this article into English from Portuguese as part of Women in Red. This page could potentially be merged into Nova Direita as it is considerably larger. 18:11, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
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Delete We do not keep articles on failed political candidates for a variety of different reasons under WP:NOT, and she's not notable for being the leader of a very small political party either. It's not impossible she'll be notable in the future, but at the moment I think this is an easy delete. SportingFlyer T·C 19:27, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Nova Direita - there isn't enough coverage to justify a separate article, a slightly-longer description of her in the party's article is sufficient. Not impossible this would change in the future. Walsh90210 (talk) 19:47, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect and merge to Nova Direita: That way the page info would be stored in the redirect's history and a portion of the content could be placed in a section in the Nova Direita article. Prima.Vera.Paula (talk) 16:51, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Doreen Kyazze[edit]

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I reviewed tis article thrice to determine whether it is considered worthy of a Wikipedia entry. Firstly, I saw there were good sources as though a reviewer will do. I now checked the sources and almost a good percentage weren't reliable per WP:RS. Religion of sources and lack of WP:SIRS definitely defined this type of article.

In second checking for confirmation, I discovered so many sources lined her perhaps a single line other quote while addressing her as a worker at Penal. I would have said this should be redirected to the organisation page but didn't see any advocacy worthy enough for WP:ATD. Another subtle was drive by the award nomination. This cannot be called WP:ANYBIO since it was once nominated and wasn't won (it's is also a lesser award, thus not major like ANYBIO. I've therefore brought this to the table proper discussion. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 19:52, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: The award from the EU seems notable [31] and [32]. I'm ok with the sources given. At least enough for BASIC Oaktree b (talk) 21:08, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Oaktree b, EU human rights award is nothing but a less major award. Though must have come from a notable form EU, but the article bearer was a nominee and was only once. How does that satisfy WP:BASIC? Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 21:58, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I find coverage [33], [34], [35] and [36]. Oaktree b (talk) 22:54, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@User:Oaktree b, the sources you listed all were independent of the Ugandan academic Spire or nearer to that. However, one nominated award is never enough for a career that isn't established. For example, a writer that has written extensively and appeared in reaserch paper may be considered even with the writing and more when nominated for an award like this. In this context, however, the article doesn't meet GNG of her career or any significant impact or SIGCOV of her advocacy ad work. Arguing about an award that is not even won is likely biased for me. It's simply a reminder! Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 23:37, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Dominika Polakowska[edit]

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Fails WP:NSKATE; medal placement at the junior level or bronze/silver medals at the national championships do not meet the requirements of WP:NSKATE. Google search turns up nothing outside of wikis and scoring databases. Previous AFD received zero arguments in favor of keeping this article that cited any evidence of notability. Bgsu98 (Talk) 15:33, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – No other sources have been found to change my analysis from the previous discussion. Article still fails WP:NSKATE and WP:GNG. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 12:41, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Aneta Kowalska[edit]

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Fails WP:NSKATE; medal placement at the junior level or bronze/silver medals at the national championships do not meet the requirements of WP:NSKATE. Google search turns up nothing outside of wikis and scoring databases. Previous AFD received zero arguments in favor of keeping this article that cited any evidence of notability. Bgsu98 (Talk) 15:30, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: Some limited coverage here, here, and here, which I think is evidence of further offline coverage. JTtheOG (talk) 22:20, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Alexandra Maksimova[edit]

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Fails WP:NSKATE; medal placement at the junior level or bronze/silver medals at the national championships do not meet the requirements of WP:NSKATE. Google search turns up nothing outside of wikis and scoring databases. Previous AFD received zero arguments in favor of keeping this article that cited any evidence of notability. Bgsu98 (Talk) 15:29, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Aleksandr Anichenko[edit]

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Fails WP:NSKATE; medal placement at the junior level or bronze/silver medals at the national championships do not meet the requirements of WP:NSKATE. Google search turns up nothing outside of wikis and scoring databases. Previous AFD received zero arguments in favor of keeping this article that cited any evidence of notability. Bgsu98 (Talk) 15:26, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Raquel Anderson[edit]

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a New Zealand women's rugby league player, to meet WP:GNG. A possible redirect target is New Zealand women's national rugby league team. JTtheOG (talk) 02:16, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete as I can't find any sigcov. David Palmer//cloventt ^(talk) 07:55, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Week keep Some sources to indicate notability, but only just. Mn1548 (talk) 16:59, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Has played at the highest level, having represented New Zealand including at a World Cup. Paora (talk) 12:50, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @Paora: Participation-based criteria for athletes were deprecated in 2022. BLPs require strong sourcing. JTtheOG (talk) 17:44, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Veronica Cintron[edit]

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Vice President of Communications for the Tampa Airport, winner of multiple small awards doesn't establish WP:GNG for this article subject. In my BEFORE, I could only find mentions related to her work at the airport. The Emmy awards might be notable but they were regional and I wasn't prepared to watch a video to see if this claim was verified. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:12, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak delete. This article as it stands is a collection of trivia and needs to be completely rewritten. (I removed a link to a Wordpress blog among the references.) Two sources might be said to clear the WP:GNG bar: the Tampa Bay Times piece and the Tampa Bay Business Journal article covering her hiring at the airport are both significant coverage of her in secondary, independent, reliable sources. The rest of the sources are trivial mentions (and the "Guide to Tampa Bay" profile is basically a marketing promo). I could probably be persuaded to keep based on the TBT/TBBJ references, but looking at all the sources in context as required, the subject appears to be a WP:RUNOFTHEMILL local broadcast journalist/corporate PR professional whose career does not warrant an article. Dclemens1971 (talk) 02:48, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete I thought there would be more coverage of her time as a news anchor, but apparently not. BrigadierG (talk) 13:38, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep. I agree there are two sources that satisfy GNG, per Dclemens1971. A lot of the trivia, specifically any cited by an unreliable source, should be removed. It might make the result a stub but there’s plenty of room for stubs, if they are notable (which, admittedly is determined by consensus). Zsinj^Talk 02:35, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: I'm not impressed with the local Emmy win. The position held at the airport is non-notable, otherwise, she's simply a local reporter. Seems to be good at her job, I'm just not sure it rises to the level of notability for a wikipedia article. Oaktree b (talk) 20:22, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nana Wanjau[edit]

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Non-notable businesswoman and "philanthropist." Sources do not support notability under WP:GNG or WP:NBIO. Most references are WP:PRIMARYSOURCES and WP:TRIVIALMENTIONS or they fail verification. The only examples of WP:SIGCOV are problematic and unreliable. Mkazi (the website is inactive) was a lifestyle blog with no named editors or legitimate editorial process. The Parents Africa profile is really a WP:INTERVIEW, and it makes major errors (for example, stating that she left a highly-paid corporate job in a year when she would have been 20). Dclemens1971 (talk) 20:38, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - I have reorganized the article and added some news articles sources from Gale. The top two references are here:^[1]^[2] The Mkazi article mentioned above also provides biographical details. I updated the citation for the Mkazi article, and other inactive URLs, to use archived URLs. DaffodilOcean (talk) 12:30, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Munde, Claire (October 22, 2016). "I blend my charity work with personal growth". The Star (Nairobi, Kenya) – via Gale.
^ "No husband no dignity? Group helps widows rebuild their lives". The Star (Nairobi, Kenya). July 15, 2017 – via Gale.

Can you provide some details on what the second Star source you cited says since there appears to be no online version? Thanks! The first one (link here) is a WP:INTERVIEW and thus would not qualify for notability. As for the Mkazi piece, it was a lifestyle blog with no named editors or legitimate editorial process and thus cannot be a reliable source for purposes of notability. Dclemens1971 (talk) 12:44, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The second article is 1300 words on the charity founded by Wanjau. Also, I would argue that the first source I provided includes expansion of the conversation with Wanjau, and thus showing 'depth of preparation' that would be needed to establish notability as is quoted in the essay you linked. DaffodilOcean (talk) 13:26, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

1300 words on Wanjau or on her charity? Re: the Star interview, every other paragraph is a quote from Wanjau. There are no quotes from other interviewees, and she appears to be the sole source relied upon by the interviewer, which shows the opposite of "depth of preparation." Dclemens1971 (talk) 13:34, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The article you cannot access is about her charity and biographical details on her. I stand by my statements that the citations I provide were more than interviews; the Mkazi piece and the lengthy editorial from Parents Africa are also more than interviews. At this point I leave it to other people to comment. DaffodilOcean (talk) 23:10, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Denice Zamboanga[edit]

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An article on this mixed martial artist was deleted three years ago after Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Denice Zamboanga as failing to meet either mixed martial arts notability or general notability. At the time, there were also multiple drafts, probably because someone was trying to game the system. The originators were then blocked for sockpuppetry. This article does not differ materially from the deleted article. The subject still is not top-ten-ranked, and so does not meet mixed martial arts notability. The article does not speak for itself and explain how the subject meets general notability. The subject's association with the ONE Championship is now verified, but "so what?", participation in the ONE Championship is not grounds for notability. The article has been reference-bombed, but nothing in the article refers to significant coverage in an article that does not speak for itself. This article differs enough from the deleted article so that speedy deletion is not in order; but it does not differ enough from the deleted article to avoid deletion. Robert McClenon (talk) 04:44, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: Sources 4, 8, 9, 20 and 24 are all RS that talks about her, the article seems to meet notability. Oaktree b (talk) 11:48, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Source #4 is her brother talking, and the subject is only namedropped. Source #8 interviews her, and almost entirely consists of quotes from the subject. Source #9 ... inquirer.net is a reliable source, but that's a scanty article consisting of five sentences aside from quotes from the subject, and that barely scrapes by if at all. #20 looks like a good source. #24 is scanty routine sports coverage. I'm not digging deeper one way or another, but they're weak reeds to hang a keep. Ravenswing 02:52, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comments She has never met WP:NMMA. The first source mentioned above is an article about her brother, she is mentioned in passing because she was on the same fight card. The next three are pre-fight articles about her first match in the promotion's Grand Prix tournament (which would be typical coverage for any fighter). The final reference is a report on that fight, which she lost. Even if you believe that coverage is significant, it is all about one event. Didn't check other references, so I'm not voting yet. Papaursa (talk) 13:38, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: In addition to the sources already in the article, there is [[37]] and [[38]]. Not sure if it is enough to meet the notability guidelines though. Let'srun (talk) 14:37, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete The subject does not meet criteria for WP:MMA. Passing mentions, quotes, interviews, event announcement and results are not sufficient to meet WP:GNG.Lekkha Moun (talk) 16:54, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Meets WP:NMMA with sources mentioned by Oaktree and Let's run. They're reliable and in-depth enough IMV. SBKSPP (talk) 00:17, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Beatrix Holéczy[edit]

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Biathlete who placed lowly in two Olympic Games. No World Cup results of note either; 49th and 68th places tend not to get coverage. I did not find any coverage when searchnig either, apart from passing mentions (and I did search in the Hungarian name order. Therefore fails WP:SPORTCRIT. Geschichte (talk) 21:01, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Paywalled newspaper archive Arcanum brings up ~300 matches for this person's name. @Nenea hartia: Can you verify if any of the coverage is significant? Thanks, BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:42, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@BeanieFan11: As you already mentioned, there are many references to her, most of them about the competitions she participated in. However, I also found some slightly more detailed articles, one of them in the "Yearbook of the Hungarian Olympic Academy 2016". Please see here. --Nenea hartia (talk) 19:07, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Nenea hartia: Thanks. Do you know if the "Yearbook of the Hungarian Olympic Academy" is independent of Holéczy? BeanieFan11 (talk) 20:07, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@BeanieFan11: Yes, it is an official annual publication of the Hungarian Olympic Committee. It is a very comprehensive work, with many pages (Holéczy is mentioned on page 214), and in the same link above I added the first pages, which include the editorial board and the publishing house. --Nenea hartia (talk) 20:27, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If it has been published by the Olympic Committee it is primary, if it has been published by an unrelated publishing house it is secondary. More importantly: is it significant or a passing mention? (Same with the 300 hits. Many of them would be mentions) Geschichte (talk) 08:32, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'd say it is significant coverage (~175 words focusing on Holeczy) – as for the publisher, looking at the first page and using Google Translate I get:

Edited and proofread by Dr. Pál Hencsei and Vilmos Horváth
Photos: Hungarian Olympic Committee
Hungarian Olympic Academy
Hungarian Olympic and Sports Museum
Judit Bódayné Blaha, József Erdélyi
István Fucskó, JochaPress, Tamás Róth
Domonkos Vígh and the authors
ISSN 0238-0412
Publisher: Hungarian Olympic Committee
Responsible for the publication: Zsolt Borkai, MOB president
Printing house: Pátria Nyomda Zrt., responsible manager: Katalin Orgován
Printing preparation: János Kerényi

@Nenea hartia: It looks like it was published by the Olympic committee? Or is this a mistranslation? BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:42, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@BeanieFan11:: Unfortunately I don't speak Hungarian and I am not familiar with sports organizations in Hungary, but as far as I can tell, yes, it was published by the Hungarian Olympic Committee. Also, the Hungarian Olympic Academy (Magyar Olimpiai Akadémia) seems to be a structure within the Hungarian Olympic Committee (Magyar Olimpiai Bizottság = MOB). --Nenea hartia (talk) 18:50, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Elizabeth Young, Lady Kennet[edit]

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This subject fails WP:GNG because only insubstantial coverage is indicated in articles that are all topically about her spouse, or published by her own school. She fails WP:GNG today and is unlikely to garner more substantial coverage in the future due to her being so dead. JFHJr (㊟) 05:11, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment - I have added in reviews of two of her publications. She wrote under the name Elizabeth Young, which makes searching for discussions of her work a challenge. I suspect there is more coverage of her work, but it requires sifting through articles about similar people. DaffodilOcean (talk) 21:41, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - I find reviews for multiple books. I also added back some of the text that had been removed prior to the AFD nomination. While this text needs citations (and is now marked as such), it is useful to know in order to find the sources needed. DaffodilOcean (talk) 12:10, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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keep as meeting WP:BASIC. This is not an easy pass -- her books have a relatively low citation count but she has had an impact. Old London Churches seems to have been regarded as a significant work and has been cited quite a bit in the context of for conservation efforts received a number of reviews which are not available online. She got obituaries in the Independent and Telegraph which I think counts for a lot. Here are the sources I think taken together are sufficient:

this book review[39]
this obit in the Independent[40]
this obituary in the Telegraph [41]
minimal discussion about her in her husband's biography [42]
this obituary, albeit in a low-circulation paper[43]
this entry showing that her papers are now held under supervision of the UK national archives[44]

One note: immediately prior to bringing this AfD the nominator removed more than 4K of text from the article including removing her extensive biography. I'm not sure how that is justified - surely if the books exist they are sources, although whether they count for notability may be another matter. I wholly agree with @DaffodilOcean's decision to reinstate them, and to identify additional cites. Oblivy (talk) 01:22, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jana Mlakar[edit]

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With only database source listed, the article of this WP:BLP1E#one-time Olympics participant clearly fails WP:GNG. According to Sports Reference results, Mlakar was not in the top three winners of 1984 Winter Olympics. She also never received any medal record. Corresponding article on Slovene Wikipedia is likewise an unsourced stub. Clara A. Djalim (talk) 10:10, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Yugoslavia at the Olympics per no medal, no GNG coverage, WP:NOLYMPICS BrigadierG (talk) 11:10, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. There are Mlakar Slovenian news hits for Jana Mlakar. The news pieces are about a museum director/cultural heritage worker. Judging from pictures she doesn't resemble Jana Mlakar Adamič, a seemingly notable ethnologist (and museum employee) who was born in 1962 as well, but on 12 January [45] [46]. I would hope that someone can shed light on who these people are, and whether there is a relation to the skier. Geschichte (talk) 12:44, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. She seems to be notable (given the presentation in the podcast mentioned below) but in-depth sources are missing at the moment. The German Wikipedia contains some more information in de:Jana Mlakar and there may be offline newspaper articles that reported on her in more detail. The museum director/cultural heritage worker was born in 1955 (per Cobiss) and Jana Adamič Mlakar seems to be a completely unrelated person as she is from a different region. --TadejM ^{my talk} 02:37, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Apparently she was the 'best cross-country skier' in Sarajevo? Hungarian newspaper archive Arcanum brings up a dozen-or-so matches, mainly in the Serbian newspaper Magyar Szó. There's mention of her in this tabloid-y article about the "divorces of the best Slovenian athletes". BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:19, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep If what the user above says turns out to be accurate, then this article deserves a place here. Wolverine XI ^{(talk to me)} 15:14, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per above, in my honest opinion GNG should be covered with these sources. Will also take a look at some sl/sh sources. A09|(talk) 15:59, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Najma Akhtar[edit]

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The subject fails WP:GNG and WP:NMUSIC Dowrylauds (talk) 13:19, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: No coverage found for a musician, this appears to be a different person [47]. The sourcing used in the article now isn't enough to meet notability. Oaktree b (talk) 15:02, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep in this reliable AllMusic staff written bio here it states that her second album reached No. 4 on the Billboard World Music chart and that another of her albums sold 50,000 copies in Japan. Some album reviews here, and here, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 20:52, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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[:2-1] Munde, Claire (October 22, 2016). "I blend my charity work with personal growth". The Star (Nairobi, Kenya) – via Gale.

[:3-2] "No husband no dignity? Group helps widows rebuild their lives". The Star (Nairobi, Kenya). July 15, 2017 – via Gale.

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