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September 15

Portal:Current events/2023 September 15

September 15, 2023 (2023-09-15) (Friday) Armed conflicts and attacks Russian invasion of Ukraine Ukraine claims that it has recaptured the village of Andriivka, near Bakhmut, in Donetsk Oblast. Russia denied the claim and said its forces remained in control of village. (Al Jazeera)(AP) Business and economy 2023 United Auto Workers strike The United Auto Workers announce that they have gone on strike following failed negotiations. (AP) Russian invasion of Ukraine Hungary, Poland, and Slovakia impose national import bans on 24 Ukrainian agricultural products, including grains, vegetables, meat products, and honey. (Reuters) International relations Foreign relations of Burkina Faso, Foreign relations of France The military government of Burkina Faso orders the French embassy's defense attaché to leave the country due to subversive behavior. (Al Arabiya) France–Niger relations President of France Emmanuel Macron says that French ambassador to Niger Sylvain Itté and other diplomats are being held hostage at the French embassy in Niamey, Niger. (CNN) Russian invasion of Ukraine President of Belarus Alexander Lukashenko proposes a three-way alliance between Belarus, Russia, and North Korea during a meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin in Sochi, Russia. (AP) Health and environment The U.S. Department of Agriculture’s Food Safety and Inspection Service reports that the Wisconsin-based Green Bay Dressed Beef has recalled over 58,000 ground beef products in several states over concerns of E. coli contamination. (FSN) Law and crime Afghan conflict United States invasion of Afghanistan The U.S. government warns a Virginia judge that allowing a United States Marine to keep an Afghan war orphan risks violating international law and could be viewed as endorsing international child abduction. (AP) Human rights in Kuwait Kuwait University agrees to impose gender segregation in classrooms in line with a recent agreement between Kuwaiti MP Mohammed Haif al-Mutairi, who chairs the Committee for the Promotion of Values, and the Kuwaiti Minister of Education. (The New Arab) Cash-for-visa scandal The Polish Ministry of Foreign Affairs dismisses its legal chief and cancels all contracts to outsource visa applications after seven people are charged in a visas-for-cash scandal. (Reuters) The Wagner Group is designated as a terrorist organization by the United Kingdom. (ABC News)

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RD: Fernando Botero

Article: Fernando Botero (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): AP, BBC Mundo
Credits:

• Nominated by Moscow Mule (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Kelisi (talk · give credit) and Jkaharper (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Colombian artist; unmistakable style in his sculptures and paintings. References with a few gaps, particularly a long list of exhibitions (that could well be deleted for all they add to the article). Moscow Mule (talk) 15:39, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

United Auto Workers strike

Article: United Auto Workers strike of 2023 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The United Auto Workers announces a strike against Ford, General Motors, and Stellantis after contract negotiations break down. (Post)
News source(s): https://www.cnbc.com/2023/09/14/uaw-strikes-ford-gm-stellantis.html
Credits:

• Created and nominated by InvadingInvader (talk · give credit)
• Updated by ElijahPepe (talk · give credit)

• Oppose “announces” it is not ITN material. And it does not seem to be a more notorious strike than any other strike in any other sector in any other country. Strikes are commonplace. _-_Alsor (talk) 05:33, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

  13,000 UAW members have already gone on strike as of this morning. This is also the first time that the Detroit Three have all been targeted at the same time, which is what makes it significant. Pawnkingthree (talk) 13:43, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

  is still not extraordinary. You can easily find a strike of more than 20,000 people in another part of the world. Strikes are commonplace. _-_Alsor (talk) 13:50, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

  You can easily find a strike of more than 20,000 people in another part of the world.

  Reminder this falls somewhat under point 2 of WP:ITNCDONT. “Oppose” votes because “it’s common elsewhere” stand on extremely shaky ground. The Kip 15:45, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose minor thing on the grand scale of things --Daikido (talk) 06:26, 15 September 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose The only strike we have posted that I can remember is the French pension reform one, and that went on for months and involved literally millions of people. We didn't post the recent UK public service strikes earlier in the year, for example, which were on a much larger scale than this one, so I can't see that this is any more notable. Black Kite (talk) 13:50, 15 September 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose per above (significance). Only a fraction of the entire UAW body is on strike. Kcmastrpc (talk) 14:31, 15 September 2023 (UTC)
• Support We also posted the (still-ongoing) SAG-AFTRA strike when it began in July. Davey2116 (talk) 16:03, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

  That was massively important for a different reason (the importance of entertainment media in modern people's lives) not to mention it involved more people still. Daikido (talk) 16:58, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

• Support Article well sourced, first trilateral strike against the three automakers in the union's history and per Davey2116. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 16:27, 15 September 2023 (UTC)
• Support Regardless of employee count, this is a broad-spectrum strike against all "Big Three" US automakers. Unprecedented. I would update Stellantis to say (formerly Fiat Chrysler). CoatCheck (talk) 16:40, 15 September 2023 (UTC)
• Wait — Impact is unknown at the moment. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 16:45, 15 September 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose. Not on the level of lasting significance for ITN. Also the UK and other countries have been having numerous disruptive strikes all year, we don't and can't post everything.  — Amakuru (talk) 16:56, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

September 14

Portal:Current events/2023 September 14

September 14, 2023 (2023-09-14) (Thursday) Armed conflicts and attacks Russian invasion of Ukraine Crimea attacks Russia's defence ministry says that it destroyed a Ukrainian boat in the Black Sea. (Al Jazeera) Business and economy Economy of Argentina The National Institute of Statistics and Census announces that consumer prices in Argentina increased 12.4% in August, the highest increase since February 1991, while the annual inflation rate increased to 124.4%. (AP) Economy of the European Union The European Central Bank raises interest rates for the 10th time to mitigate high inflation amid concerns that higher borrowing costs could push the economy into a recession. (AP) Russian invasion of Ukraine Ukraine's foreign ministry says that any European Union plans to extend import restrictions on Ukrainian food would be "illegal" and would harm common economic interests. (Reuters) Disasters and accidents Two people are killed and 25 more are injured in a collision between a bus and a truck on a highway in Rome, Italy. (Il Messaggero) An explosion at the Union Pacific Railroad Bailey Yard in North Platte, Nebraska, United States, the world’s largest railyard, causes evacuations in the area due to toxic smoke. (AP) International relations Recognition of the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan, Afghanistan–China relations China names Zhao Seng as ambassador to Afghanistan, the first country to deliver an ambassador to Afghanistan since the 2021 Taliban offensive. However, China continues to not recognise the Taliban government. (BBC News) Law and crime 2023 Brazilian Congress attack The Brazilian Supreme Court announces the first conviction of a participant in the January 8 riots at the Praça dos Três Poderes in Brasília. The member, identified as Aécio Lúcio Costa Pereira, is given a 17-year prison sentence. (Financial Times) International Criminal Court investigation in Ukraine The International Criminal Court opens a field office in Kyiv, Ukraine, as part of its war crimes investigations, becoming the largest ICC office outside of its headquarters in The Hague, Netherlands. (Al Jazeera) Mexican drug war Emma Coronel, the wife of Mexican drug kingpin Joaquín "El Chapo" Guzmán, is released from U.S. federal custody after completing a three-year sentence for her involvement in drug trafficking. (AP) Weiss special counsel investigation Hunter Biden, son of U.S. President Joe Biden, is indicted on gun charges as part of an investigation by attorney David C. Weiss. (NBC News) Argentina's Federal Police shuts down a publisher that sold books supporting Nazi ideology, seizing hundreds of texts and arresting one person as part of what authorities characterized as a historic seizure of propaganda. (AP)

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RD: Lauch Faircloth

Article: Lauch Faircloth (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYT The News & Observer
Credits:

• Nominated by Curbon7 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Nohomersryan (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Former US senator from North Carolina, most notable for his opposition to D.C. home rule and for losing to John Edwards. Article needs significant work. Curbon7 (talk) 00:02, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose for now as much as I want to support this nomination, I feel that it's too under-cited to appear on ITN. ❤HistoryTheorist❤ 02:25, 15 September 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose, the article doesn't have adequate sourcing. Suonii180 (talk) 15:13, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

Scattered Spider hacks of MGM and Caesars

Articles: Scattered Spider (talk · history · tag) and 2023 MGM IT attack (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A group of British and American hackers known as Scattered Spider hack MGM Resorts and Caesars Entertainment (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ MGM Resorts and Caesars Entertainment are hacked by the group Scattered Spider
News source(s): https://www.reuters.com/business/caesars-entertainment-paid-heavy-ransom-after-cyberattack-bloomberg-news-2023-09-13/
Credits:

• Nominated by InvadingInvader (talk · give credit)

• Oppose Good Faith Nomination perhaps my view will change, but I do not think this nomination is notable enough for ITN. ❤HistoryTheorist❤ 22:41, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose cyber-attacks are extremely more common than people think, so they are not per se notorious. Much less so when the targets are just...hotels. _-_Alsor (talk) 23:04, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

(Removed) Ongoing removal: 2023 Canadian wildfires

Article: 2023 Canadian wildfires (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item removal (Post)

Nominator's comments: Procedural removal, there have been minimal updates to the article in the last two weeks. It seems that the worst is over for the season. --Tone 19:37, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Support Per nominator. For a formal issue (lack of updating or daily continuity in them) and for a substantive issue (it has ceased to be notorious, with no more international attention). _-_Alsor (talk) 19:50, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

• Support Majority of recent changes appears to be copy editing and visual/image changes as well as updating the number of fires and affected area in the infobox. Hasn’t had a substantive prose update in a while. News coverage has also almost entirely died down as well. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 20:10, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
• Support—There are still hundreds of wildfires currently burning in B.C.,[1] but on the whole, the worst seems to have passed. Kurtis ^(talk) 20:16, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
• Support per above. Mostly minor statistical updates, the worst impacts have come and gone. The Kip 20:49, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Support per above. From CIFFC, "only" a little under a hundred wildfires each of the last two weeks, compared to 400-500 weekly during the peak in July. Chaotic Enby (talk) 21:47, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Although they are not weighted by affected area (as the last graph shows, that's the main difference between this year and last year while the fire count was roughly the same), so that's a caveat to take into consideration Chaotic Enby (talk) 21:48, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

The area burned per day has hardly changed since before this was posted. Some fluctuations even short backtracks from estimation errors but still almost as fast as ever. [[User:Sagittarian Milky Way|Sagittarian Milky Way]] ([[User talk:Sagittarian Milky Way|talk]]) 22:30, 14 September 2023 (UTC) Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 23:08, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

• Wait - still big news here; and the amount of area burning is still immense; even if the numbers of fires are down, and less cities are evacuated. Biggest factor in terms of news coverage, is the wind hasn't been blowing into the USA much recently. The next band of thick smoke hits Chicago on Saturday though, according to the forecast ... Nfitz (talk) 03:30, 15 September 2023 (UTC)
• Support This is no longer daily news. It has subsided to the point that it is being treated as all other wildfires in the world - routine matters during the summer months. --Masem (t) 03:42, 15 September 2023 (UTC)
• Support. Even the fire is still ongoing in some places, most of the major news sites have stop updating the situation. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 07:34, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

Bold Support, pretty stale ~~ ~~ 2A00:23C8:B03:9F01:7436:E482:83CC:93D4 (talk) 13:05, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

• Removed, per general consensus. --Tone 13:17, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

September 13

Portal:Current events/2023 September 13

September 13, 2023 (2023-09-13) (Wednesday) Armed conflicts and attacks 2023 Nigerien coup d'état The U.S. military announces that they have resumed drone operations and other counterterrorism missions in Niger. (AP) 2023 Sudan conflict Battle of Geneina Thirteen new mass graves are found in Geneina by the United Nations, with an unspecified number of bodies. (Al Arabiya) Battle of Nyala At least 40 people are killed in an airstrike on the El Malja market and several other neighborhoods in Nyala by the Sudanese Armed Forces. (France 24) Kashmir conflict Insurgency in Jammu and Kashmir Four Indian troops and two rebels are killed in gunbattles in Rajouri district, Jammu and Kashmir, India. (Al Jazeera) Russian invasion of Ukraine 2023 Ukrainian counteroffensive Rosatom chief Alexei Likhachev says Ukraine launched a drone strike on Enerhodar near the Zaporizhzhia nuclear plant with all six drones being destroyed. (Reuters) Crimea attacks Russia says that at least 24 people were injured in Ukrainian missile strikes in Sevastopol and two boats were damaged in the attack. Ukraine claims to have destroyed the Russian landing ship Minsk, submarine B-237 and a KC-701-class patrol boat of the Russian Navy's Black Sea Fleet. (AP) (Reuters) (MSN) Israeli–Palestinian conflict Five people are killed and 25 more injured during an explosion at a rally in the Gaza Strip marking the anniversary of Israel's withdrawal from the Gaza Strip in 2005. (Al Jazeera) Business and economy Russian invasion of Ukraine Prime Minister of Poland Mateusz Morawiecki called on the European Union to extend an embargo on the import of Ukrainian corn, wheat, sunflower and rapeseed. (AP) Disasters and accidents 2023 Hanoi building fire At least 56 people are killed and 37 others are injured in a fire at a nine-story apartment building in Hanoi, Vietnam. (Al Jazeera) Three people are killed and several others are injured in an explosion at a factory in Chieti, Abruzzo, Italy. A similar explosion at the factory in 2020 killed three workers. (La Repubblica) International relations 2023 North Korea–Russia summit The North Korea–Russia summit is held at the Vostochny Cosmodrome in Amur Oblast, Russia, lasting for four hours. Russian President Vladimir Putin accepts an invitation from North Korean leader Kim Jong Un to a reciprocal summit in North Korea. (AP) (CNA) Law and crime 2023 Brazilian Congress attack The Brazilian Supreme Court holds the first trials of supporters of former President Jair Bolsonaro who took part in the January 8 attacks on government buildings at the Praça dos Três Poderes in Brasília. (La Prensa Latina) (AP) Death of Sara Sharif Urfan Sharif, Benaish Batool and Faisal Malik fly from Sialkot, Pakistan, to Gatwick, UK, where police arrest them on suspicion of murder. (BBC News) Escaped U.S. fugitive Danilo Cavalcante is captured in Pennsylvania by a team of tactical officers after a two week manhunt. (AP)

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(Posted) 2023 Hanoi building fire

Article: 2023 Hanoi building fire (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ At least 56 people were killed after a fire occurred at an apartment building in Hanoi, Vietnam. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In Hanoi, Vietnam, a fire at an apartment building kills at least 56 people.
News source(s): Reuters, Al Jazeera.
Credits:

• Nominated by Midori No Sora (talk · give credit)
• Created by Abu Masr (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: A fire at an apartment building in Hanoi kills at least 56 people. Article needs some work though. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 23:33, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Oppose on quality for now, open to change my vote if the article gets expanded. No comment on notability, although it's pretty horrible to see how many tragedies have happened these last days. Chaotic Enby (talk) 00:01, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Changing to weak support - no issue about notability and the article has already been expanded quite a bit although still not in perfect shape. But I trust the community on this one! Chaotic Enby (talk) 21:38, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Support on quality obviously, duh, high death toll Daikido (talk) 01:08, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Read WP:ITNCDONT, specifically the first part. High death toll doesn't mean much if the article isn't up to standards. Iamstillqw3rty (talk) 01:57, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

"Support on quality"

The article is still a stub??? The Kip 03:33, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

And what do you mean "duh"? Remember that death toll is not the only factor through which significance is measured. We have declined posting events with similarly numbered death tolls before. _{Duly signed,} ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 12:53, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Not to get too into the weeds, but the user in question has a history of semi-disruptive behavior at ITN, so this seems rather typical. The Kip 16:36, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Sorry, just in case my original vote wasn't clear, "quality" was about the state of the article (still a stub back then), not about notability (I mean, it would've been a bit weird to talk about a "high-quality disater"). In any case I edited it since as the article has grown quite a bit! Chaotic Enby (talk) 21:40, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

:Oppose per Enby. Article needs some serious work. Will be happy to support once it's up to par. Iamstillqw3rty (talk) 01:59, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

• • Changing to weak support. Could use some more work, but it looks just about ready for ITN. Iamstillqw3rty (talk) 19:22, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

*Oppose on quality per above. The article's a stub with few details. The Kip 03:33, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

• • Support now, article’s been expanded just enough to meet ITN standards. The Kip 16:38, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
• Support in principle as precedent holds that building fires are generally ITN (per South Africa from last week) This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 06:01, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
• Support on notability, weak oppose on quality. Not exactly a stub now but still a bit too short. S5A-0043^Talk 07:09, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
  • Full support as article has been improved. S5A-0043^Talk 01:32, 15 September 2023 (UTC)
• Support. Notable event with worldwide coverage a high impact in Vietnam. The length of the article is about the same of 2023 Johannesburg building fire. 109.37.147.78 (talk) 12:39, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
• Support notable event, plus we mentioned all the previous building fires with such death toll, plus article is no longer a stub. Editor 5426387 (talk) 13:53, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
• Support Fairly high death toll and alright coverage and considering we posted the Johannesburg fire and the similar nature of this, we should probably post this too. Article quality has improved sufficiently as well. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 20:24, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
• Support High death toll and article looks good. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 20:35, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
• Question nobody still opposes; and the last input is almost 24-hours ago. What are we waiting for? 109.37.149.106 (talk) 16:24, 15 September 2023 (UTC)
• Posted – Schwede66 16:39, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

RD: John McDonald

Article: John McDonald (rugby league) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Courier Mail
Credits:

• Nominated by Aydoh8 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Artegia (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Aydoh8 (talk) 23:14, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose. Article is a stub. It should be expanded more. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 17:09, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

RD: Jean Boht

Article: Jean Boht (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

• Nominated by Mjroots (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Crentonville (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Mjroots (talk) 16:44, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose Filmography is uncited and career section has some uncited statements. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 21:04, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

(Closed) Danilo Cavalcante capture

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Article: Danilo Cavalcante (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ After a 14-day manhunt, escaped fugitive Danilo Cavilcante is captured in Pennsylvania. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Danilo Cavalcante, wanted fugitive, is captured in Pennsylvania after a 14-day manhunt.
News source(s): https://www.nytimes.com/live/2023/09/13/us/pa-fugitive-captured-danelo-cavalcante
Credits:

• Nominated by Maximus Pinpoint (talk · give credit)

 Maximus Pinpoint (talk) 15:34, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

I'm not sure if this is the right... anything, but I think this is a relatively relevant event. Please tell me if I did something wrong with formatting or anything so I can do it right next time :)

• Oppose and Close. No viable target articles. Barring a change on this front, we can't post this item, regardless of notability. DarkSide830 (talk) 16:10, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
• Maximus Pinpoint: Thank you for your nomination to WP:ITN/C! We always appreciate seeing new contributors here. On ITN when assessing nominations for news items, we operate on the basis of significance which, unlike most other processes on Wikipedia, is a subjective assessment based on consensus reached by other users. At the present time, ITN/C has tended to skew away from local events of this sort. Also, as DarkSide830 said, there needs to be an updated target article in accordance with our goal to direct users to quality content on Wikipedia. For more information about how the process works here, please read the guide that I created called WP:HOWITNWORKS. _{Duly signed,} ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 16:16, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose and SNOW close per DarkSide. Editor 5426387 (talk) 16:56, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose and snow close Good faith nomination, but it's going nowhere. Per all above. _-_Alsor (talk) 17:36, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

September 12

Portal:Current events/2023 September 12

September 12, 2023 (2023-09-12) (Tuesday) Armed conflicts and attacks Mali War Tuareg fighters from the Platform coalition of rebels capture the town of Bourem from Malian forces, bringing an end to the 2015 peace treaty between the rebels and the Malian government. (Africanews) Disasters and accidents Storm Daniel The death toll from the floods caused by Storm Daniel in northeastern Libya increases to 6,000 people, with thousands more reported missing. Government of National Stability minister Hisham Chkiouat confirms that entire neighbourhoods have been destroyed in Derna. (Al Jazeera) (BBC News) (CNN) At Salzburg Zoo in Austria, a zookeeper is killed and another is injured by a rhinoceros in its enclosure. The zoo remains closed. (AFP via ABS-CBN News) Health and environment The New South Wales government in Australia bans logging in a 8,400-hectare forest area, identified as home to 106 "koala hubs", as part of a conservation effort to establish a 315,000-hectare Great Koala National Park. (AFP via RFI) International relations North Korea–Russia relations 2023 North Korea–Russia summit North Korean leader Kim Jong Un arrives in Russia for a summit with President Vladimir Putin. (NBC News) Law and crime 1Malaysia Development Berhad scandal The Malaysian Court of Appeal upholds the acquittal of former prime minister Najib Razak and former 1MDB chief Arul Kanda Kandasamy on charges of audit tampering related to the sovereign wealth fund's corruption investigation. (AFP via The Jakarta Post) Impeachment inquiry into Joe Biden Kevin McCarthy, the speaker of the United States House of Representatives, announces an impeachment inquiry into President Joe Biden. This inquiry led by Representative James Comer will be conducted by the House's Judiciary Committee, Oversight Committee and Ways and Means Committee. (Associated Press) A Regional Trial Court in Pasig, Philippines, acquits Rappler Holdings Corporation and its CEO, Nobel Peace Prize awardee Maria Ressa, in the fifth and final tax evasion case against the corporation. (CNN) Politics and elections Aftermath of the 2023 Guatemalan general election The office of the Attorney General carries out raids in the offices of the Supreme Electoral Tribunal and opens electoral boxes containing the electoral ballots. The Supreme Electoral Tribunal condemns the raids. (Prensa Libre)

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(Closed x 2) Impeachment inquiry against Joe Biden

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Article: Impeachment inquiry against Joe Biden (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ An impeachment inquiry investigating U.S. president Joe Biden (pictured) is announced by U.S. House Speaker Kevin McCarthy (Post)
News source(s): [2]
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by SecretName101 (talk · give credit)
• Created by ElijahPepe (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Significant recent/current event/news item. Impeachment inquiries against U.S. presidents are historically uncommon. Out of 46 presidents, only five have been the subject of such inquiries (counting Biden).

SecretName101 (talk) 05:36, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Oppose at this point, reconsider if some actual vote takes place. Tone 06:54, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Wait until actual votes happen for the impeachment Oppose and WP:SNOW close. 🔥Jalapeño🔥 07:18, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

@Jalapeño Inquiries and impeachments are different phases of an impeachment process. An impeachment inquiry being launched is itself highly notable news SecretName101 (talk) 08:02, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

I know, though the inquiry itself happens before the vote, so, in my opinion, we should wait until the votes finish, if there even will be a vote. 🔥Jalapeño🔥 08:08, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Again, those are two different occurances. With many subjects, we report on big developments at different stages. For instance, I'm quite confident few said "wait until the general election" when people suggested adding Kamala Harris' selection as a running-mate in 2020. SecretName101 (talk) 13:06, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Oppose / wait until voting per above. At this moment this looks like digging up dirt magnified by media circus. Brandmeister^talk 08:22, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

What voting? Inquiries can be opened without votes, and this one just was. No vote is planneed.

Again people: You are required to actually READ the content before chiming in. SecretName101 (talk) 13:08, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose “it is announced” it’s not ITN material and has never been. Close and wait until voting. _-_Alsor (talk) 08:50, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

  Once again, have you people been reading the material on inquiries before chiming in?

Because actually doing the reading is required before chiming in. The articles linked to in the blurb would inform you: you do not need to hold a vote for there to be an inquiry. A vote is only needed to impeach, not to launch a preceding inquiry. McCarthy's announcement constitutes the launch of the inquiry. He does not plan on their being a vote, so you are waiting on a non-existent event. SecretName101 (talk) 12:55, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Wait - I will support this once a vote actually takes place. Another exciting episode of American politics, time to grab some popcorn PrecariousWorlds (talk) 09:44, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Comment - we added the impeachment inquiries against Trump in 2019 into Ongoing immediately, before any House votes had taken place, where it remained until the process concluded. Much as I personally think this is a storm in a teacup, and not the most important US news, I am concerned from a NPOV point of view that we might not be treating similar items equally.  — Amakuru (talk) 10:21, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose The proposed blurb doesn't include the nominated article. See also WP:CRYSTAL and WP:BLPCRIME. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:22, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

  Then propose an alternate blurb. SecretName101 (talk) 12:58, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

  Alt blurb: An impeachment inquiry investigating U.S. president Joe Biden (pictured) is announced by U.S. House Speaker Kevin McCarthy
  

See how easy that was?SecretName101 (talk) 13:01, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

• Add to ongoing - per Amakuru's comment and WP:NPOV, we should post this to ongoing especially since we did the same thing for Trump back in 2019. I would not understand why Trump got special treatment in ITN while Biden did not. Interstellarity (talk) 11:33, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
• Comment Might one argue that U.S. presidential impeachments could already be blasé?—Bagumba (talk) 12:11, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose Should we post every impeachment process in every country? We didn't post the two impeachment processes (that failed) against Sebastián Piñera, for example. If we post this, so we should post those in the future. --Bedivere (talk) 12:18, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

  Have y'all not read the guidelines at the top of the article? This is a highly discouraged take, and inappropriate grounds for opposition. SecretName101 (talk) 12:59, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

• Question House Speaker McCarthy directed the House to begin impeachment inquiry without holding a vote authorizing the inquiry. Is it possible that the House will not act on McCarthy's direction? If so, I !novote against this being ITN and wait until an inquiring actually begins. A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 12:24, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

  There is not reason to think that the chairmen of these committees would do such a thing. Anyone who thinks that is utterly unfamiliar with the history and political positions of any of those men. Also, we don't make our decisions off of unlikely "what if" scenerios. SecretName101 (talk) 13:04, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose This was a decision to give a house committee the go-ahead to investigate if there is sufficient evidence for an actual inquiry, whereas the last time in 2019 was after the formal inquiry in front of the full house was started (eg the actual process). In addition to this being just political theater as to try to get the Freedom Caucas to help actually pass the budget and avoid a shutdown. Nearly all reliable sources are downplaying this as the GOP simply playing games as they have nothing tangible to actually impeach Biden over. --Masem (t) 12:27, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

  By this point I think it should be a WP:SNOW close. 🔥Jalapeño🔥 12:56, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

  I would argue a SNOW close would be innappropiate, most of the opposition seems to be from people who either evidences not reading the linked articles, or not even reading the guidelines at the top of this very page. If these oppositions were more substantive, yes. But no. SecretName101 (talk) 13:05, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

  No. It was the launch of an inquiry. You seem to be ignoring every reliable news source and the actual words uttered by McCarthy. This is not the place for original research-based assertions SecretName101 (talk) 12:58, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

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• Although I do recognize that WP:ITNSIGNIF holds that only a consensus of users is all that is required in order to determine whether to post or close a nomination, I do strongly believe that this was closed too soon and that the reasons for opposing are not equitable with how ITN has handled prior news items of this sort. Regardless of what any of us here think, this is a major political turning point in the United States, affecting the highest office of the land, and turning our eyes away from it on a matter of wording (Vote? Announcement? Authorization? Directive?) doesn't seem to be in keeping with our usual assessment process. To admins: If you need to remove this comment, please at least copy it to WT:ITN. _{Duly signed,} ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 18:20, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
  • I don't think this is "a major political turning point". It's a natural escalation based on their months of their investigation committee. It's one step in the process that will likely result in Biden's impeachment, but we're not at the end point yet. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:47, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

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(Ready) RD: Román Chalbaud

Article: Román Chalbaud (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): La Vanguardia
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by NoonIcarus (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Prominent Venezuelan film maker. NoonIcarus (talk) 20:06, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

• Weak oppose Article is well sourced, however there's some present tense usage in the text that could be updated. Once these issues are addressed, I'll happily support this. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 03:37, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

@TDKR Chicago 101: I tried changing the tense before the nomination, sorry if I missed some. Could you please point out which these currently are? I can't find them. --NoonIcarus (talk) 10:47, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

• Support, article in good shape. 4me689 (talk) 04:55, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
• Comment Does a ref for his date of birth exist and full birth name exist? The infobox includes this info but it isn't mentioned in the prose. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 21:08, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

@MonarchOfTerror: Some of the references about his death include his birth date as well. I'm not sure the biographical sources include this info too, but I have added both said footnote and an additional reference for the full name. --NoonIcarus (talk) 10:46, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Nice. I’m willing to support now, of course AGFing Spanish sources. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 20:12, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

• Support and ready After checking it. I don't think I quite included everything I wanted when working on it years ago, maybe I'll have to find time now, but article is in great shape. Kingsif (talk) 00:48, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Mike Williams (wide receiver, born 1987)

Article: Mike Williams (wide receiver, born 1987) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [3]
Credits:

• Nominated by Engineerchange (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Engineerchange (talk) 18:36, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

Who knew there were so many wide receivers in American football named Mike Williams?

Anyways article looks good, Support PrecariousWorlds (talk) 19:11, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

• Posted Stephen 00:21, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

• pull, I see 3 citation needed tags on Williams's article, whoever Posted this did not check beforehand. 4me689 (talk) 04:53, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

  Issues have been dealt with. 🔥Jalapeño🔥 14:56, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

September 11

Portal:Current events/2023 September 11

September 11, 2023 (2023-09-11) (Monday) Armed conflicts and attacks 2023 Ain al-Hilweh clashes Clashes between rival factions in the Ain al-Hilweh Palestinian refugee camp in Sidon District, Lebanon, continue for the fifth day, despite a ceasefire, with five more people being killed, bringing the death toll to ten. (Reuters) Russian invasion of Ukraine Ukraine says that it has recaptured from Russia four Black Sea oil platforms known as the Boyko Towers in Crimea. (Politico) (The New York Times) Disasters and accidents Storm Daniel At least 2,500 people have been killed and 7,000 others are reported missing across northeastern Libya during floods triggered by Storm Daniel. (Albawaba) International relations Dominican Republic–Haiti relations, Haitian crisis The Dominican Republic suspends the issuance of visas for Haitians and announces plans to close its border with Haiti by Thursday. (AP) Law and crime Six people are killed in a mass shooting against a vehicle in Artemida, East Attica, Greece. The six men, believed to be Turkish, were gunned down in an isolated cul-de-sac. (Kathimerini)

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RD: Point Given

Article: Point Given (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/271766/dual-classic-winner-hall-of-famer-point-given-dies
Credits:

• Updated by Kelisi (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: 2001 American Horse of the Year. The first horse ever to win four $1 million races in a row. 65.94.213.53 (talk) 12:26, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Support, sourcing seems good. 🔥Jalapeño🔥 13:05, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Ian Wilmut

Article: Ian Wilmut (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [4]
Credits:

• Nominated by Abhishikt (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 -Abhishikt (talk) 19:19, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

• Support Beat me to it! --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 20:52, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
• Posted Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 22:19, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

RD: Éva Fahidi

Article: Éva Fahidi (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [5]
Credits:

• Nominated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 – Muboshgu (talk) 18:59, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

Support, article has no cleanup tags and everything is backed up by sources. 🔥Jalapeño🔥 07:33, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

• Comment Is there a source for her date of birth? It's listed in the infobox but isn't mentioned in the prose. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 21:05, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

(Posted) Storm Daniel

Article: Storm Daniel (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Storm Daniel causes severe flooding across Libya and the collapse of two dams, leaving more than 2,500 people dead. (Post)
News source(s): [6]
Credits:

• Nominated by Hurricane Noah (talk · give credit)
• Created by Abu Masr (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Might need a bit of work but definitely worthy of posting Noah, AA^Talk 14:45, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

Weak oppose - Libya declares state of emergency, seems to be causing a lot of damage. However, death toll does not automatically mean notability, and we should not support or oppose based off of it. This item is also getting rather stale. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 15:49, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

How is it stale when the Libya situation is just being reported? Noah, AA^Talk 15:56, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

The storm has almost completely dissapated by now, damage has been done. I still think it would be okay to post, but if we were to we better do it soon, PrecariousWorlds (talk) 09:04, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

• Strong Support Significant devastation, especially in Derna, and the latest reports say up to 2,000 people are believed to have died. Johndavies837 (talk) 16:35, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
• Strong Support. Unprecedented disaster. Storm just made landfall in Libya, so it is not stale. More than 2,000 people feared dead in Derna alone. Deadliest Medicane ever recorded. The floods in Greece and Istanbul alone are noteworthy. Here are some images from Libya; we should try to find some free ones. 50.101.173.184 (talk) 16:49, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
• Support, however... is the Causalities section needed? It is presenting just a running total if deaths already described in the previous sections. I do see a benefit if a causality count by country table in the Aftermath section. --Masem (t) 17:42, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

Strong support, unfortunate major disaster that absolutely deserves a place in ITN. Chaotic Enby (talk) 20:08, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

• Comment I think the blurb should focus on the devastation and casualties in Libya. Johndavies837 (talk) 21:25, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose on Quality. Information on meteorological history can be greatly expanded, as well as impacts in particular countries. Certainly clears on notability though. DarkSide830 (talk) 21:29, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

  I'm not going to have the time to make big updates, however, I did update the blurb and article for the deaths. News source states 2,500 dead with 1,500 bodies having been recovered. Noah, AA^Talk 22:18, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

• Support, estimated death toll in Libya is more than 2000, so it's significant. -Abhishikt (talk) 22:29, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
• Support - The death toll being more than 2,000 says it all, this is a very devastating and very significant event for Libya. ~ Sandy14156 (Talk ✉️) 23:45, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 23:47, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
• Comment—It's expected that the death toll will exceed 10,000. I think we'll probably need to update the death toll on an almost daily basis, and it might even be prudent for us to consider whether an ongoing is warranted. Kurtis ^(talk) 10:34, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
• Comment The death toll in the article is 2,110; the main page says "over 3000". I think we better stick to the conservative figure here, and call it "over 2,000". Renerpho (talk) 12:44, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

  That point has become mute as the official death toll continues to rise. It remains important to carefully read the sources before adding figures, especially when the headline of a newspaper doesn't agree with the text. Renerpho (talk) 17:01, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

  This was already dealt with several times over in the intervening hours. In the future, incrementing the numbers should be handled through WP:ERRORS, after the article has been updated with the most recent figures. --Jayron32 18:10, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

(Closed) Sara Sharif murder case

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Article: Sara Sharif murder case (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ An international manhunt has been launched after 10-year-old Sarah Sharif was found dead at her home in Woking, Surrey, England. (Post)
News source(s): BBC, The Gurdian, Sky, Telegraph, The Sun, Daily Mail, Independent, The Times
Credits:

• Nominated by Ainty Painty (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: The case, despite the passage of a month, continues to be a significant event that has drawn international attention and had a profound impact on the community. The case remains unresolved and has consistently been in the headlines, capturing the attention of media outlets worldwide. Ainty Painty (talk) 17:07, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

Oppose article not in good enough shape and is an orphan. I also don't think this is of global, international significance. It just doesn't make the ITN threshold. Secretlondon (talk) 17:23, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose per above. Seems like a fairly standard local murder case, just with a wider manhunt. The Kip 17:34, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose per all above. This nomination goes nowhere. _-_Alsor (talk) 17:40, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose as provincial. Suggest SNOW close. This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 18:13, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose - seems very local. Referenced media are all English - and since when did we use the Daily Mail as a source? Not significant. Nfitz (talk) 22:49, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

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September 10

Portal:Current events/2023 September 10

September 10, 2023 (2023-09-10) (Sunday) Armed conflicts and attacks 2023 Ain al-Hilweh clashes A ceasefire is signed between Fatah and Islamist groups after three days of clashes in the Ain al-Hilweh Palestinian refugee camp in Sidon District, Lebanon, which killed five people and injured 52 others. (AP) 2023 Sudan conflict Battle of Khartoum At least 43 people are killed and dozens more are injured by an airstrike in Khartoum, Sudan. (AP) Russian invasion of Ukraine Crimea attacks Russia says its air defence shot down three Ukrainian drones over Crimea, one in the northwest and two in the west of the peninsula. (Reuters) Two foreign aid workers are killed and two others are injured by Russian shelling near Chasiv Yar, Donetsk Oblast. (AP) Disasters and accidents At least 28 people are killed during a boat accident in Mokwa, Niger State, Nigeria. The boat carrying more than 100 passengers, mostly women and children, capsized along the Niger River. (Al Jazeera) Politics and elections 2023 Malagasy presidential election Madagascar President Andry Rajoelina resigns in order to run for re-election, in accordance with the country's constitution. Rajoelina sent his resignation letter to the High Constitutional Court following confirmation of his candidature. (Reuters) Science and technology Censorship by Facebook Meta deletes Al Jazeera Arabic presenter Tamer Almisshal's Facebook profile a day after a programme aired an investigation into Meta’s censorship of Palestinian content. (Al Jazeera) Sports 2023 FIBA Basketball World Cup Germany wins its first FIBA Basketball World Cup, beating Serbia 83–77 in the final. Dennis Schröder is named the tournament's Most Valuable Player. (AP) Canada earns its first medal at the FIBA Basketball World Cup and its first medal at a global men's basketball tournament since 1936, after defeating the United States 127–118 after overtime in the bronze medal game. (AP) Rubiales affair Royal Spanish Football Federation president Luis Rubiales announces his resignation after having acted inappropriately during the 2023 FIFA Women's World Cup final. (AFP via France 24)

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(Posted) Germany wins the FIBA Basketball World Cup

Article: 2023 FIBA Basketball World Cup final (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The 2023 FIBA Basketball World Cup concludes with Germany defeating Serbia in the final. (Post)
News source(s): Al Jazeera DW Reuters
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by MonarchOfTerror (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Wikipedvincent (talk · give credit), H-Hurry (talk · give credit) and Jfect22 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Article needs some work before it's ready. Article has one cn tag but is good to go otherwise. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 09:55, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

• The text is there, just the sources need to be polished. This is a type of a good article for the sport event (once properly sourced). --Tone 12:01, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
  • @Tone: I've done some work, now there's only one cn tag left. Should be alright now. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 18:47, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

    Looks good! You can delete the last sentence as well if you cannot find a reference, it is not really crucial for the context. I'd like to see some more support, then ready to post. Tone 11:13, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

• Support, both target articles look well-updated with a solid amount of prose. The Kip 17:26, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
• Support Sufficient WP:ITNQUALITY.—Bagumba (talk) 15:27, 15 September 2023 (UTC)
• Posting. --Tone 15:35, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

(Closed) Category 5 hurricane/typhoon in each ocean basin in the same season for the first time in the satellite era

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Article: 2023 Atlantic hurricane season (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ For the first time in the satellite era, a category 5 hurricane has formed in each of the Atlantic, Pacific, and Indian oceans in the same year. (Post)
News source(s): [7];[Weather of 2023 Washington Post: A first: Category 5 storms have formed in every ocean basin this year]
Credits:

• Nominated by Tenebris (talk · give credit)

 Tenebris 66.11.165.110 (talk) 16:28, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

• Comment For the first time since the satellite era, all three major ocean basins have produced an (equivalent to) category 5 hurricane / typhoon (some more than one). There have additionally been (equivalent to) category 5 hurricanes in the southern hemisphere: eg. Cyclone Freddy. In total, counting the southern hemisphere, there have been SIX (equivalent to) category 5 storms this year (two in Oceania, one in the Indian Ocean north of the equator, one each in the east and west Pacific, and now one in the Atlantic), but this is far less unusual in the Pacific and Indian oceans than in the Atlantic. What makes it newsworthy is that this has occurred simultaneously, for the first time in the satellite era, in all three oceans.

Although most hurricanes lose significant strength before landfall, Typhoon Mawar in the Pacific basin struck Guam as a category 4, and Cyclone Mocha struck Myanmar as a category 4. The final effects of Hurricane Lee, in the Atlantic, have yet to be determined. (Better satellite measurements, meteorological understanding, and disaster planning have thankfully led to much lower mortality than similarly-powered storms have caused in the past -- aka why WP ITN should not lean solely on death counts to analyse storms.) I used "hurricane" rather than "typhoon" in the blurb because English-speaking WP leans toward the Atlantic. As well, the Saffir-Simpson scale is linked to hurricanes, with typhoons using a different measure. However, we could easily use typhoon, cyclone, or hurricane/typhoon instead. It is also worth noting that each of these storms developed its strength explosively (great increase in strength over a single day or two), but mentioning that in the blurb would take away from the fact that they existed at all. I used the picture of Mawar since it had the greatest land impact, but we could also use a picture of Lee since it "makes" the story. - Tenebris 66.11.165.110 (talk) 16:28, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose this is trivia, not news. And it doesn't correlate with a substantial update to any Wikipedia article. 217.180.228.138 (talk) 16:30, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

Oppose This is trivia and, while a striking sign of climate change, isn't a specific news event fitting in WP:ITN. Chaotic Enby (talk) 16:37, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose as trivia + per above. Maybe a good DYK if one can get the article up to par, but not suited for ITN. The Kip 16:46, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

Oppose per above. Agree with The Kip that this could be a DYK candidate. estar8806 (talk) ★ 19:14, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

• Needs work The news link provided didn't work so I've added a link to the Washington Post. This indicates that this particular aspect is due to ocean warming such as El Niño and that's driving a lot of extreme weather. As 2023 seems to be setting weather records in various ways, we should perhaps have a more general topic such as Weather of 2023. Andrew🐉(talk) 19:31, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

  During an Atlantic high-activity era, El Niño typically results in a near-normal season and La Niña produces an above-normal season. During an Atlantic low-activity era El Niño typically results in a below-normal season and La Niña results in a near-normal season. Too much wind shear and stuff. However this is the record sea temperature year, entering uncharted territory. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 20:46, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose Weather records (and similar such records) are not really suitable for ITN. We've had record heat waves and temperatures throughout this summer, and there were suggested to post but that didn't happen, nor should this. --Masem (t) 21:15, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose Seems a bit of a reach - especially as two of these were months ago, and Hurricane Lee (2023) doesn't look like it's going to make landfall as a hurricane anytime soon (though might hit northern New England, or parts of Canada as a smaller Hurricane). We've had extreme climate ITNs; and we might well again soon with hurricane season in the Atlantic peaking. Nfitz (talk) 22:53, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
• Meh. I love weather, and I love tropical cyclones in particular, but this is a classic case of trivia. Issues here include such facts as A. the basins considered, while the currently active ones, are arbitrarily chosen and not all of the global basins B. the fact that what defines a category 5 is arbitrary and C. these particukar cyclones weren't concurrently occurring. SO yeah, neat, but that's about all. DarkSide830 (talk) 00:19, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

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September 9

Portal:Current events/2023 September 9

September 9, 2023 (2023-09-09) (Saturday) Armed conflicts and attacks Russian invasion of Ukraine Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant crisis The International Atomic Energy Agency warns of a nuclear threat at the Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant after explosions were heard near the plant amidst the Ukrainian counteroffensive. (PBS News) Arts and culture 80th Venice International Film Festival The film Poor Things, directed by Yorgos Lanthimos, wins the 2023 Golden Lion award at the Venice International Film Festival. (Euronews) Law and crime White Terror (Taiwan) Taiwanese President Tsai Ing-wen restores the reputations of victims of the White Terror repression, which was carried out by the Kuomintang government from the 1940s to the 1980s. The ceremony, held in Taipei, marked the first nationwide event that addresses crimes committed during the White Terror. (Taipei Times) Politics and elections 2023 Artsakhian presidential election The National Assembly of the breakaway state Republic of Artsakh elects Samvel Shahramanyan as its new president. (RFE/RL) 2023 Maldivian presidential election Maldivians vote for a president. No candidate receives a 50% majority, so incumbent President Ibrahim Mohamed Solih will face opposition candidate and Malé mayor Mohamed Muizzu in the second round on September 30. (Reuters) Sports 2023 WTA Tour 2023 US Open In tennis, American Coco Gauff wins the women's singles title at the 2023 US Open, her first major singles title, after defeating Belarusian Aryna Sabalenka in the final. (CBS Sports)

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RD: Rubén Darío Carolini

Article: Rubén Darío Carolini (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Diario Hoy
Credits:

• Nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Argentine paleontologist. Discovered the Giganotosaurus. Thriley (talk) 15:24, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose Article is basically a stub. Needs some expansion. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 18:29, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

Coco Gauff and Novak Djokovic win U.S. Open

Articles: Coco Gauff (talk · history · tag) and Novak Djokovic (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ American Coco Gauff and Serbian Novak Djokovic win the women's singles and men's singles, respectively. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In tennis, the US Open concludes with Coco Gauff winning the women's singles and Novak Djokovic winning the men's singles (both winners pictured).
News source(s): [8], Deadline Hollywood
Credits:

• Nominated by TJMSmith (talk · give credit)

One or both nominated events are listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

 TJMSmith (talk) 22:48, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

• Comment we usually post the men's and women's winner together since the events are held simultaneously.--Masem (t) 23:19, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

*Premature per Masem. Recommend speedy close and repost when men’s final is over. The Kip 00:19, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

• • Oppose - virtually no prose on any of the three target articles. Massive amount of work needed to bring this up to posting standards. The Kip 17:28, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose for now I see no reason why we couldn't post the women's final as a blurb and then update it with the men's final once that's complete. Except for the fact that this page is not ready. All the text is in the lead, then it's just tables and tables. – Muboshgu (talk) 00:38, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
• Wait for the men's final to be finished, as per The Kip. The U.S. Open men's and women's (singles) final results are usually posted together. Vida0007 (talk) 08:34, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
• Comment It's bureaucratic to wait on women's because the men's match is pending. Post what's ready, and update as needed. It could be that the men's never meets quality either, or visa versa. But I agree with Muboshgu on the current quality status of the women's page.—Bagumba (talk) 12:27, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality A lot more work needed on the prose - basically just tables and trivia right now. (The target article should be the tournament, not the winner.) Pawnkingthree (talk) 13:47, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose per Masem Flyingfishee (talk) 19:24, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

  Support altblurb Event is significant and article looks pretty standard compared to US Open articles from previous years. Flyingfishee (talk) 14:35, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

• Djokovic has just won the men's so have updated this as appropriate. However, pretty sure there's still article quality issues. --Masem (t) 01:31, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose All three US Open articles are currently a long way from suitable for the Main Page. Black Kite (talk) 10:02, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
• Comment - the target article based on previous postings and ITN/R should be 2023 US Open (tennis). That is itself a long way from suitability though, no prose write-ups as yet.  — Amakuru (talk) 10:13, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

RD: Mike Yarwood

Article: Mike Yarwood (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

• Nominated by SchroCat (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Needs a fair bit of work to get it up to scratch, but achievable. - SchroCat (talk) 11:12, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose A good amount of sourcing work is necessary. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 18:44, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
• Silly Billy I did some cleanup to make the article seem respectable and the readership has reached over 100K. I suppose that will be the peak and it's downhill from here. Andrew🐉(talk) 13:54, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
• Support Yarwood was well known in the UK, Australia and New Zealand, and should be included on that basis. Broichmore (talk) 11:07, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

  Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

  Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 11:40, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

  Ridiculous argument in the face of common sense. There’s no policy to back up that opinion. This guy has obits published in The Times and The Telegraph. Broichmore (talk) 21:18, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

  The policy is WP:BLP, which requires that contentious statements about living (or recently living) people be supported by an inline citation. Until this is done the article isn't of sufficient quality to feature on the Nsin Page. Pawnkingthree (talk) 21:54, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

  This is based on what is described on both WP:ITNQUALITY and WP:ITNRD. We literally put this in the template (which is what I was quoting). This is not my opinion, the policy is that anyone with a Wikipedia article can get RD if the article quality is good enough, fame or significance doesn’t matter. We don't just post people who are famous into RD. We didn’t post Jimmy Buffett because his article wasn’t good enough. If you don’t like that and think it’s common sense to just post regardless of quality, then start an rfc to change the current policy. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 04:42, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

  WP:ITNRD "...is not one of Wikipedia's policies or guidelines". See also WP:CONLOCAL. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:28, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

  Even if it isn't policy, this article is not RD quality imo but if WP as a collective decide that this article can be posted I’m not going to go against them. Also I don’t believe there’s any relevant higher community consensus for posting this that would override WP:ITNQUALITY. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 12:02, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

  What contentious statements? This article has been improved. Broichmore (talk) 10:39, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

  You can start with the orange tagged career section and also the filmography and bibliography per WP:ITNQUALITY: Biographies of living persons are held to higher standards of referencing because of their sensitive nature, and these rules also apply to those recently deceased. Lists of awards and honors, bibliographies and filmographies and the like should have clear sources. Sources themselves should be checked for reliability. Generally, "orange" and "red" level clean-up tags are signs that article quality is not acceptable for the main page as well. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 11:55, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose Article needs some ref work. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 18:30, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Mangosuthu Buthelezi

Article: Mangosuthu Buthelezi (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

• Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Zulu Leader Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 06:50, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

• Support. No issues present, all the content is supported by references.  Lefcentreright  Discuss  12:38, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
• Support. Well-referenced article does justice to its complex subject. Moscow Mule (talk) 15:56, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
• Support. Well-sourced and it gives a good view on the subject. Cheers, and carpe diem! Nascar9919 (he/him • t • c) 18:18, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
• Support I see 1-2 uncited statements but that shouldn't hold this well-written and sourced article from posting. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 19:17, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
• Procedural support meets minimum requirements This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 18:12, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
• Posted Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 02:18, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

September 8

Portal:Current events/2023 September 8

September 8, 2023 (2023-09-08) (Friday) Armed conflicts and attacks Mali War September 2023 Mali attacks Jama'at Nasr al-Islam wal Muslimin carry out a suicide attack at a Malian military base in Gao Region. An airport employee contacted by AFP reported an attack carried out using two car bombs, accompanied by a shooting. (Africanews) Russian invasion of Ukraine 2022–2023 western Russia attacks Russia's security services detain a man for allegedly plotting to blow up a railway in Crimea and collecting information on the deployment of Russian defense ministry facilities and units. (Al Jazeera) 2023 Russian elections Russia says that its air defense systems shot down two Ukrainian drones that were attempting to attack a polling station in Skadovsk, Kherson Oblast, while voting was occurring. (Al Jazeera) Bombing of Kryvyi Rih Four people are killed and 72 others are injured in a Russian missile strike on Kryvyi Rih, Dnipropetrovsk Oblast. (CNN International) (Reuters) Eastern Ukraine campaign, Southern Ukraine campaign Russia says that it has repelled numerous attacks along the front line in Donetsk and Zaporizhzhia and inflicted hundreds of losses on Ukrainian forces. (Reuters) Ukraine accuses Elon Musk of allowing Russian forces to attack Ukrainian cities after it was revealed that Starlink satellite communications interfered with a drone operation by disabling a communications network near the coast of the Russian-occupied Crimean peninsula as Ukrainian drones were approaching Russian warships, resulting in a loss of connectivity. (Al Jazeera) Business and economy Petroleum industry in Russia Russia's Lukoil begins shipping crude oil from Murmansk to Madre de Deus, Brazil. (Reuters) It is reported that Spain has become more reliant on Russian natural gas, with Russia's market share of total imports increasing to 28 percent in July and surpassing Algeria as Spain's second largest gas supplier. (Reuters) Disasters and accidents 2023 Marrakesh-Safi earthquake At least 2,012 people are killed by a magnitude 6.8 earthquake in Chichaoua Province, Morocco. Authorities declare three days of national mourning in the wake of the earthquake. (Al Jazeera) 2023 Pacific typhoon season 2023 Hong Kong rainstorm and floods Flooding occurs in Guangdong and Fujian provinces in southern China after Typhoon Haikui makes landfall over the region. Rainfall records are reported in Hong Kong and Shenzhen. (Reuters) Aftermath of the 2023 Hawaii wildfires Officials say that they plan to reopen the western part of Maui, Hawaii, United States, north of Kaanapali, on October 8. (The Maui News) International relations Armenia–Russia relations The Russian government summons the ambassador of Armenia to protest recent actions and statements undertaken by the Armenian government, amid a continuing deterioration of relations between the two nations. (Reuters) Australia–Philippines relations Australia and the Philippines upgrade their bilateral relations to a strategic partnership. (Reuters) Law and crime Corruption in Ukraine Tens of thousands of Ukrainians sign a petition asking President Volodymyr Zelenskyy to veto asset declaration legislation that critics believe could prevent officials from being held accountable by delaying a requirement to publicly declare their assets. (Reuters) Ukraine's National Anti-Corruption Bureau freezes more than $80 million in assets belonging to oligarch Ihor Kolomoisky for 48 hours as part of an embezzlement investigation. (Reuters) One person is killed and five others are injured when a car crashes into pedestrians and two other vehicles in Melbourne, Victoria, Australia. The driver is arrested at the scene. (ABC News Australia) Politics and elections 2023 Russian elections Russians head to the polls to elect the bodies of local government in the country. (Reuters) Democratic backsliding in the United States Thirteen presidential centers from Herbert Hoover to Barack Obama warn of the fragile state of American democracy amidst deep national political polarization. (AP) Sports 2023 FIBA Basketball World Cup Germany advances to the FIBA Basketball World Cup final for the first time after defeating the United States 113–111 in the semi-final. (Reuters)

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(Posted) 2023 Marrakesh-Safi earthquake

Article: 2023 Marrakesh-Safi earthquake (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A magnitude 6.8 earthquake strikes Morocco, killing at least 296 people. (Post)
News source(s): CNN
Credits:

• Nominated by ElijahPepe (talk · give credit)

 elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 02:20, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

• Support - Clearly making world headlines and getting continuous coverage. Dora the Axe-plorer (explore) 02:52, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

  When the blurb is posted, the number should reflect the latest death toll figure of 632 Sky News Dora the Axe-plorer (explore) 06:47, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

• Support Significant coverage, notable effects, article is already in great shape. Fair play to the updaters. The Kip 02:58, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
• Support. Obviously notable with a high death toll. Article generally is in decent shape for ITN. S5A-0043^Talk 03:00, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

Support Death toll in the hundreds. Significant. Bremps... 03:07, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

• Support Article quality is good for the event. --Masem (t) 03:21, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
• Support and marking as ready. Normally I'm not a fan of rapid posting, but this one is a no brainer. -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:48, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
• Support - obvious Nfitz (talk) 04:11, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
• Support - Really ought to be posted, unanimous support, and likely a very high and substantial death toll. Rest in Peace to all the victims. --Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 04:50, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
• Support. Appears to be a cause of significant human displacement and of widespread structural damage, including to a World Heritage Site. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 05:04, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
• Support Death toll now over 600. Davey2116 (talk) 06:48, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
• Support It's getting much news coverage from all over the world. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 06:53, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
• Posted. Anarchyte (talk) 06:57, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

(Closed) Ongoing: 2023 Rugby World Cup

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Article: 2023 Rugby World Cup (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian, BBC, Le Monde
Credits:

• Nominated by AideDésintéressée (talk · give credit)
• Updated by PeeJay (talk · give credit), CUA 27 (talk · give credit) and AideDésintéressée (talk · give credit)

Article updated

 AideDésintéressée (talk) 09:09, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

Oppose - We shall post the result my friend. Don't usually put up the opening of sports events. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 09:30, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

You put up the opening of the Women's FIFA World Cup opening though...And it wasn't as hpyed as this Rugby World Cup Agirlwithabrain (talk) 10:17, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

Could get behind ongoing. If we did put up the opening of the Women's world cup then I would have disagreed with that. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 21:05, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

We didn't, because we don't blurb sport tournament openings (except the Olympics and occasionally similar). Of course, as a fan of both, the women's football was also easily more hyped than this Rugby World Cup - anyone's view of "hype", though, doesn't affect the scale of an event and isn't a good blurb argument. Kingsif (talk) 15:29, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

Support - It is a mojor event in the Rugby domain. Agirlwithabrain (talk) 10:20, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

• Comment This is not how an ongoing nomination is supposed to be done. I have boldly fixed it. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 10:34, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
• Support ongoing. Main world event in a top 10 sport featuring countries from South America, Asia, Europe, Africa and Oceania. Last version in 2019 was watched by not far off a billion people. Black Kite (talk) 10:58, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

• Those viewing figures should be taken with a pinch of salt. Global viewing figures for sports are very hard to ascertain, and their governing bodies have a vested interest in hyping them up to promote their product. The quoted figure of 857 million for Rugby Union (from the governing body) is absurd. The total combined populations of all of the countries where it's genuinely popular don't even amount to half that figure. Effy Midwinter (talk) 08:10, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose, we already have several ongoing topics and I am perfectly fine with limiting the ongoing sports for the Olympics and the FIFA World Cup. No need to include more sports (basketball World Cup is taking place at the moment as well, for example). --Tone 11:09, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
• Support These days Rugby (Union) is much more mainstream and played in a lot more countries nowadays than in the old elitist amateur days, with the world cup being the pinnacle of this sport Josey Wales ^Parley 11:37, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose. This is becoming silly. We don't "ongoing" tournaments just because they happen to be taking place. The result of the RWC will be posted at the end as per usual and that's it. The only exceptions to this are the Olypmics and the football world cup, as the largest sporting showpieces on the planet. And those are strictly exceptions.  — Amakuru (talk) 11:54, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

• We also did the 2019 Cricket World Cup, and I would expect to do the same this year. Admittedly, we're looking at a worldwide audience heading towards 3 billion with that one, not far off that of the Olympics. The cricket article also gets an insane amount of pageviews. Black Kite (talk) 12:03, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

• Comment I am not sure about the article quality at this point. I know to expect a lot of tables for tracking this, but there seems to be a lack of prose and citations for what has happened. For example, the opening ceremony being only two sentences long seems lacking. --Masem (t) 12:34, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

  And further, we only typically feature lengthy sporting events in ongoing if there is widespread international coverage of the event on a day to day basis. The World Cup and Olympics clearly meet this. I'm not so sure about rugby as a sport. Masem (t) 17:36, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

• Support Major world event with worldwide media attention, and it would be a good thing to have other sports than football featured on the front page. Chaotic Enby (talk) 13:44, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

I'll add that sports tournaments are probably the kind of stuff we should have more precise guidelines for, and, whichever way it goes, this would be a good occasion to work on setting a precedent and potentially even drafting a guideline. Chaotic Enby (talk) 13:46, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose Looking at the top views, it seems to be tennis that's doing best currently. But there are a lot of different sports jostling for attention and so YMMV. As they are all routine sports, WP:NOTNEWS applies. And note that rugby is a form of football too. Andrew🐉(talk) 15:50, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

  Rugby is a form of football doesn't add anything, as it was obvious the comparison was with association football (soccer). The question is, what is a "routine sport", and what differentiates it from a sport deserving an article? Why should WP:ITN be centered around a specific sport, even though we tend to avoid biases like this in other domains (presenting news from all countries, from all topics, etc.) Chaotic Enby (talk) 21:20, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

  Andrew’s traditionally been opposed to any sports coverage on ITN, I’d disregard the “it’s routine” comment entirely. The Kip 01:01, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

• Page views comparison. The 2023 FIBA Basketball World Cup was suggested to be added to ongoing last month; it was rejected. Comparing the pageviews, basketball leads rugby although it has to be sent the basketball's world cup is nearing its conclusion, while rugby's just get started. Also, ITN doesn't base what is posted on page views but on the biases of people here, but I guess you guys should already know that ;) Howard the Duck (talk) 23:23, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

  You're right to notice that the rugby world cup just started, and that its pageviews are much more equivalent to the first days of the basketball world cup. I think we could see in the next few days how it develops, although rugby appears on a stronger rising trend? We'll see! Chaotic Enby (talk) 01:00, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

  See the 2019 World Cup pageviews (FIFA-W vs cricket vs rugby vs basketball); all world cups except for basketball lasted for more than a month, while basketball's took just over 2 weeks. Another caveat is basketball's have a lot more teams that are not from English speaking nations, vs. rugby and cricket. The 2019 final had both Spanish-speaking countries, and the 2023 final is Germany vs. Serbia (almost USA vs Canada, but they'd settle for third). For the curious, here's the Spanish Wikipedia article views during 2019.

  Rugby World Cup (and Cricket World Cup) also have show some actual prose; interestingly, FIFA-W didn't have prose? I thought this was a requirement? Howard the Duck (talk) 01:37, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

  Slight update, rugby page views are increasing substantially as the tournament gets started, with only the top 5 days in the basketball article's history being above yesterday's rugby page views. Chaotic Enby (talk) 16:41, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose You really can't compare a rugby union tournament to the Olympics or World Cup in terms of importance. It will get posted once it's over, quality permitting. Pawnkingthree (talk) 13:51, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality; there is a fair amount of prose, but it's mostly unsourced. In terms of whether it warrants ongoing, I think rugby union has a better argument for that than other sports, but isn't in my top 6 off the top of my head, and I can imagine other users see it even lower, so it would probably warrant discussion. Kingsif (talk) 15:35, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
• Support ongoing it's the world championship of one of the most popular sports in the world, perhaps we should have a standard where any world championship of any sports event over a certain threshold of popularity gets ITNR automatically. Flyingfishee (talk) 19:23, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

  The Rugby World Cup is already ITNR. This isn't a discussion about ITNR, it's about adding the tournament to Ongoing, and then once it's finished presumably adding it again as a blurb. Which seems overkill to me. Pawnkingthree (talk) 00:25, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose. I know there is no clear-cut criteria for what can be posted as ongoing as a sports item, but I feel like that honor should be reserved just for Olympics and association football World Cups, which we can definitively agree are the two biggest sporting events in the world. DarkSide830 (talk) 00:15, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

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(Closed) Democratic backsliding in the United States

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Article: Democratic backsliding in the United States (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Thirteen presidential centers from Hoover to Obama warn of fragile state of American democracy (Post)
News source(s): AP; UPI; Washington Post
Credits:

• Nominated by soibangla (talk · give credit)

 soibangla (talk) 20:09, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose On Notability, first off, this is not ITN-Material, this does not affect anything outside of the United States, and this is not significant enough. Editor 5426387 (talk) 20:18, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose This is day-to-day politics in the US and the type of thing ITN is definitely not appropriate for. Additionally, the update is only this one sentence, nor can readily be expanded from just that statement (without being UNDUE), which really doesn't help. --Masem (t) 21:08, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose - Huh? Truly hard to see how this is not only newsworthy but frankly even neutral. _{Duly signed,} ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 21:10, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose so… _-_Alsor (talk) 21:22, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose and close. Per above. Thanks to the OP for the good faith nomination, but this stands no chance of being posted, and might as well be put out of its misery sooner rather than later.  — Amakuru (talk) 21:39, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

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RD: Monique Bégin

Article: Monique Bégin (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/feminist-pioneer-monique-b%C3%A9gin-dies-at-87-1.6962053
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Former federal minister, one of the first three women from Quebec to be elected to the Canadian Parliament. 65.94.213.53 (talk) 22:31, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose No time to add tags at the moment, but seeing a solid amount of unsourced content. The Kip 20:48, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

RD: Adi Winarso

Article: Adi Winarso (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://radartegal.disway.id/read/665739/breaking-news-mantan-walikota-tegal-adi-winarso-meninggal-dunia
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Mayor of Tegal, 1999-2009. 65.94.213.53 (talk) 22:31, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

• @Jeromi Mikhael: Not sure if you have time / access to additional sources, but I think with some moderate additional expansion this could be another ITN RD player. Spencer^T•C 15:35, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

RD: Richard Hu

Article: Richard Hu (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.theedgesingapore.com/news/singapore/former-finance-minister-richard-hu-dies-96
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Singaporean Minister for Finance, 1985 - 2001. 65.94.213.53 (talk) 18:58, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

• Weak Oppose Career section is mostly a list of positions and dates without much depth, a resume in prose format at present. Spencer^T•C 15:34, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

(Needs attention) RD: Lisa Lyon

Article: Lisa Lyon (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.tmz.com/2023/09/08/bodybuilding-star-lisa-lyon-dead-dies/
Credits:

• Updated by Jkaharper (talk · give credit)

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Nominator's comments: Pioneering American female bodybuilder. 65.94.213.53 (talk) 18:58, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

• Support Article's a little short, but I don't see any unsourced material. The Kip 20:47, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
• Comment Someone tagged the birth info.—Bagumba (talk) 15:37, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

RD: G. Marimuthu

Article: G. Marimuthu (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Abishe (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Kailash29792 (talk · give credit) and Usedbook (talk · give credit)

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Nominator's comments: Popular actor. Known for his antagonist role in Ethirneechal (TV series) Abishe (talk) 18:58, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose Prose seems fairly well-cited, but filmography is mostly unsourced. The Kip 20:45, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

RD: Shoukat Ali Laleka

Article: Shoukat Ali Laleka (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): GNN
Credits:

• Nominated by Ainty Painty (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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 Ainty Painty (talk) 12:46, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

• Support Article looks good enough for RD. Fahads1982 (talk) 17:05, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
• Support Per above. Golem08 (talk) 20:09, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose Bulk of career section is election results without information about what he did in those positions; insufficient depth of coverage. Spencer^T•C 00:11, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

RD: Tunku Ampuan Najihah

Article: Tunku Ampuan Najihah (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BERNAMA
Credits:

• Nominated by Peoya (talk · give credit)
• Created by 192.169.41.33 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Heather Fix (talk · give credit) and Artegia (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Consort to former Yang Dipertuan Agong (head of state) of Malaysia Peoya (talk) 11:43, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

• Many citations needed. starship.paint (RUN) 13:33, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose per above. Article is almost wholly uncited. The Kip 03:01, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

Oppose Not enough prose wise about life, excluding long templates, awards and images. Also, more citations are needed. Bremps... 03:09, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: John Cairney

Article: John Cairney (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

• Nominated by Knightoftheswords281 (talk · give credit)
• Created by Clarityfiend (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Dominus Moravian (talk · give credit), Sandy Fortingal (talk · give credit), 92.155.142.60 (talk · give credit), Beryl reid fan (talk · give credit) and MonarchOfTerror (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Scottish actor. Filmography needs additional sourcing. — Knightoftheswords 01:21, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

• Support I've sourced the filmography and expanded the article a little. Should be good to go. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 20:08, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
• Support Article looks good. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 18:31, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
• Posted Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 22:23, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

(Needs attention) RD: Edward Hide

Article: Edward Hide (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): TBN
Credits:

• Nominated by Knightoftheswords281 (talk · give credit)
• Created by Peaky76 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Bcp67 (talk · give credit), Normantas Bataitis (talk · give credit) and Peaky76 (talk · give credit)

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Nominator's comments: British Jockey. — Knightoftheswords 01:16, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

• Very weak oppose Only a single CN tag, otherwise well-cited. Credit to the updaters for keeping this in good shape. The Kip 17:54, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

RD: Charles Gayle

Article: Charles Gayle (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Avant Music news
Credits:

• Nominated by Knightoftheswords281 (talk · give credit)
• Created by 4.227.136.154 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Normantas Bataitis (talk · give credit), 2a02:586:cc37:5946:5dce:90b8:4ba6:59d0 (talk · give credit) and 66.90.165.150 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: American free jazz musician. Needs more sourcing. — Knightoftheswords 01:13, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose Prose is mostly well-cited (only a few CNs), but discography is entirely unreferenced. The Kip 17:45, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

RD: María Jiménez

Article: María Jiménez (singer) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): LPLM
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Knightoftheswords281 (talk · give credit)
• Created by Gaudio (talk · give credit)
• Updated by 188.29.133.182 (talk · give credit), Mandtplatt (talk · give credit), StarDeg (talk · give credit) and Normantas Bataitis (talk · give credit)

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Nominator's comments: Spanish singer. Needs expansion. — Knightoftheswords 01:10, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose Woefully under-referenced and not accessible to someone unfamiliar with the subject. Yes, she was a singer, but what were her commercial and critical benchmarks? I see nothing about chart positions or awards, and if this page had been written today, I'd understand a reviewer in Australia or India or the UK tagging it for notability. The page talks about "relaunching" a career (when?) but never mentions it fading away in the first place. I've removed unsourced personal information, a category on ethnicity that had no backing to it and a filmography which I blanked per WP:BURDEN due to a troublesome name in there. Unknown Temptation (talk) 16:35, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose. Not main-page quality. (The film Unknown Temptation refers to appears to exist, but wasn't linked or referenced.) Moscow Mule (talk) 17:06, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

RD: Enver Mamedov

Article: Enver Mamedov (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): RBC Group (in Russian)
Credits:

• Nominated by Knightoftheswords281 (talk · give credit)
• Created by Vmenkov (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Artegia (talk · give credit), Knightoftheswords281 (talk · give credit), Normantas Bataitis (talk · give credit), 178.127.48.251 (talk · give credit) and Brandmeister (talk · give credit)

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Nominator's comments: Soviet diplomat. Should be ready to go. — Knightoftheswords 00:53, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose Article is poorly cited and doesn't even mention his death. Editor 5426387 (talk) 00:57, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
  • Every paragraph is actually cited. However, needs a prose update on death and I'll support. Brandmeister^talk 06:51, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose I've added his death and DoB into prose, but there's a list of awards in the infobox that don't have sources (these awards should probably have their own section in the article too). Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 07:22, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

RD: Edgar Moron

Article: Edgar Moron (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): KStA
Credits:

• Nominated by Knightoftheswords281 (talk · give credit)
• Created by Sillyfolkboy (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Mohamad Darilin (talk · give credit), Normantas Bataitis (talk · give credit) and Editrite! (talk · give credit)

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Nominator's comments: German Politician. Needs an additional source. — Knightoftheswords 00:49, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose Article is a stub and orange-tagged. Multiple CNs and a dead link. The Kip 17:42, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

RD: Peter C. Newman

Article: Peter C. Newman (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Fox News, Maclean's, CBC
Credits:

• Nominated by Knightoftheswords281 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Bwark (talk · give credit) and Leoboudv (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Austrian-Canadian author and Journalist. Some citations are needed in the bio and bibliography section. — Knightoftheswords 00:45, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose Article needs massive citation work. The Kip 17:38, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

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